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With Praise Like This…

A piece over at The New Republic asks why it is that more people don’t love Woodrow Wilson. It’s opening seems to answer that question pretty easily:

[W]hy aren’t contemporary liberals bestowing the same praise on Woodrow Wilson as they lavish on Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson? Granted, if he were running today, Woodrow Wilson wouldn’t win a single Democratic primary and would no doubt be heckled out of the race. Raised in the South, he smiled on Jim Crow and did not object when two of his cabinet appointees re-segregated their departments. A crusading Presbyterian, he vowed to “teach the Latin American republics to elect good men” and dispatched troops to Mexico and Haiti when they didn’t follow his advice. During World War I, he enforced new laws that effectively outlawed most dissent from government policy.

Though really, the reasons they list for lauding him seem a little suspect as well:

Yet Wilson, together with his allies on Capitol Hill, also laid the foundation for the 20th century liberal state. He signed bills that created the Federal Reserve and progressive income tax rates, secured humane working conditions for merchant seamen and railroad workers, restricted child labor and curbed the power of large corporations. After the U.S. entered the war in Europe, his administration began operating the railroads, lifting the hopes of leftists who had long advocated public ownership of what was then a rich and vital industry.

In 1916, Wilson accepted renomination with a speech that defined political conflict in terms that remain surprisingly fresh. Our programs, he told his fellow Democrats were “resisted at every step by the interests which the Republican Party … catered to and fostered at the expense of the country, and these same interests are now earnestly praying for a reaction which will save their privileges, for the restoration of their sworn friends to power before it is too late to recover what they have lost.”

How can anyone dislike someone who both nationalized the railroads and was hated by Republicans?

Actually, the rest of the piece is kind of a hoot too, since it then moves on to arguing that liberals should love Wilson more because FDR and LBJ really were pretty flawed too. Overall, I have to wonder if this is the sort of piece that conservatives are destined to enjoy much more than liberals. Which does nothing to answer the question of why TNR ran it.

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Donald R. McClarey
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Tuesday, June 4, AD 2013 12:29pm

Wilson is an unpleasant reminder for the Democrats of the racist history of their party and how the racism was not restricted to Southern Democrats, but was rather an essential aspect of the party of the Jackass, even, or perhaps especially, for liberals who wished to extend the scope of the Federal government. Why TNR ran it is a puzzlement.

Linked below is a New York Times story in which Wilson rejected black criticism of his anti-civil rights policy. “If the colored people made a mistake in voting for me, they ought to correct it.”

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9C01E0DC1738E633A25750C1A9679D946596D6CF

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Tuesday, June 4, AD 2013 1:55pm

This is the point where we recite the relevant chapter from Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism. 😉

Paul W Primavera
Paul W Primavera
Tuesday, June 4, AD 2013 2:00pm

In keeping African Americans addicted to the teat of the public treasury, and in giving them a “token” in the Oval Office to make it seem like they are empowered when he and his minions support abortion that disproportionately murders more African American babies, how is the Party of the Jackass (love that descriptor!) NOT still racist? And how is he not racially suicidal? The ever racist Democrat Woodrow Wilson would be proud of the result – a black President murdering his own race!

Pinky
Pinky
Tuesday, June 4, AD 2013 2:47pm

The New Republic used to be an interesting magazine in the 1980’s, to the left of National Review, but with similar intellectual and political heft. It’s been on a slide to irrelevence since then. It was recently bought up by one of the founders of Facebook and repackaged itself as essentially MSNBC Magazine.

Ray Marshall
Ray Marshall
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 4:57am

If Wilson would have stayed out of World War I, France, England, Germany and Russia would have collapsed from exhaustion, there would have been no Bolshevism and Russian Revolution and no inflation in Germany caused by war reparation payments to France and thus no Hitler and World War II.

Donald R. McClarey
Reply to  Ray Marshall
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 5:01am

Actually Russia collapsed prior to American entry into the war. With that collapse Germany was able to move massive amounts of troops from the East to the West. With no American intervention the Bolsheviks likely would still have seized power in a chaotic Russia and Germany might well have won the war, as they came close to doing in the Spring and Summer of 1918 even with American intervention.

Darwin
Darwin
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 8:33am

What ifs are fun, but of course always difficult to substantiate. Still, it’s hard to imagine the US not intervening in WW1 as producing great results. France and Germany both had strong communist, socialist, anarchist and proto-fascist movements that could well have taken over in the event of a collapse, and Russia as we can see had pretty nasty movements waiting in the wings as well. (The US actually tried to get rid of the Bolsheviks, under Wilson’s direction, by sending supplies and even troops to support the White Russians in the Russian civil war.) If anything, I’d tend to think that it would have been better if the US had got involved sooner, and without Wilson’s “fourteen points” which gave a lot of nationalistic movements (including those in Germany) the idea that they’d get unrealistic benefits out of the peace conference. An earlier US entry and an Allied drive into Germany rather than an armistice might have led to a better peace, but a lot of it is that Europe was simply pretty messed up anyway and the Great War and the peace after it left room for things to go well or badly. They went badly.

That aside, though, Wilson is certainly one of my least favorite presidents for a host of reasons, and this piece praising him with faint damns certainly has an odd ring.

Peter E. Dans
Peter E. Dans
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 10:40am

As a parent of two Princeton graduates, I was moved to buy two old Princeton yearbooks from Wilson’s time as president of the University and was stunned by the blackface and other caricatures of blacks. That led me to research more about him and to see why he was not a favorite of those who are knowledgeable. He also permitted his wife and his chief of staff to run the country while he was incapaciated. I couldn’t help thinking of Pope Benedict XVI and his courage and humility in stepping down cementing his place on the Papal Mount Rushmpre

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 10:55am

Despite his academic background and cerebral image, Wilson, like Obama now, was a masterful orator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgbBCTHnJ9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb30L-NmKjo

What does Mr. Kazin have in mind? I suppose there might be extant texts and recordings of masterful oratory by Prof. Wilson, but it is quite difficult to imagine the speaker in these recordings was ever capable of it.

I will wager this was more inspiring in the original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeTkT5-w5RA

Another contemporary of Wilson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhlzdjPGxrs

The next generation down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwenOlpbvTA

And the generation after that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IRrQZg3FDE

The last was cherry-picked.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 11:00am

What he accomplished, backed by huge Democratic majorities in Congress, to advance civil rights, Medicare, immigration reform, anti-poverty, and education spending exceeded what Roosevelt had attempted—although taking over from the martyred Kennedy certainly helped. For Bill Clinton and many other Democrats, this, not the Vietnam debacle, is the LBJ they want us to remember.

Here we have Thomas Sowell’s thesis – that to the anointed it is postures that matter and not results – nicely illustrated. Five sets of legislation, five different messes resulting therefrom, and he acknowledges none of it.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 11:02am

Raised in the South, he smiled on Jim Crow and did not object when two of his cabinet appointees re-segregated their departments.

He thought D.W. Griffith was a purveyor of serious history and, IIRC, segregated all federal offices.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 11:13am

Just love this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTO31dkDQv8

Let’s see:

1. Promoting the disestablishment of the German monarchies. Check.
2. Acceding to the reparations bill. Check.
3. Contrived disarmament scheme, eventually unworkable. Check.
4. War guilt clause; no material benefit for the Allies, but more fuel for revanchism. Check.
5. Dippy collective security scheme, descendant of which is now a bureaucratic pustule on the East river. Check.

Prof. Kazin acknowledges…nothing.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 11:27am

France and Germany both had strong communist, socialist, anarchist and proto-fascist movements that could well have taken over in the event of a collapse,

No. The Fatherland Party in Germany was inconsequential and the Spartacus League not much more so. It took a decade of disasters before the political culture in Germany turned against parliamentary government. The Communist Party built a base in France during the 1920s, but there was always a ceiling to it. There was never a fascist movement of consequence in France.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 11:29am

Is that last link supposed to be to a montage about Blessed Emperor Karl of Austria-Hungary

Yep.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 11:31am

Per Phillip Jenkins, Wilson’s favorite book was Philip Dru: Administrator. I will let you literature mavens sort that one out.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 1:23pm

True, but come to that the Bolshevik’s were a pretty minor group in Russia (and one among many) until the collapse of first the empire and then the Kerensky government allowed the Bolsheviks to take over.

The Bolsheviks placed second to the SRs (radical agrarians) in the constituent assembly elections held in late November 1917.

Just to re-iterate, it took serial disasters during the period running from 1914 to 1930 for the totalitarian parties to build a base in Germany: wartime hardships and loss of life, the loss of the war, humiliating peace terms, the collapse of the currency and the destruction of savings, the onset of the Depression (which was more severe in Germany than in France and far more severe than in Britain). Even in Hungary, both Communist and fascist regimes had only a brief shelf life (in 1919 and 1944 respectively).

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 4:13pm

Re: “humiliating” peace terms and economic/cultural devastation, the Versailles Treaty imposed war reparartions of 226 billion marks (I’ve seen that “translated” at $34 billion), payable in foreign exchange or gold.

Hyper-inflation and depression led to German cultural, moral, and societal breakdowns, and allowed for the ascendancy of Hitlerism.

Our WWI Allies owed the USA $10.4 billion. Only Finland paid in full.

Donald R. McClarey
Reply to  DarwinCatholic
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 4:38pm

Keynes referred to the Versailles treaty as a Carthaginian peace which indicates that he knew as much about ancient history as he did about sound economics. Compared to most peace treaties for an utterly beaten power, Germany got off pretty lightly. The reparations were never more than a propaganda issue for Germany as it was quickly understood that Germany was never going to pay more than a fraction of the reparations and that the Allies lacked the will to compel them to do so.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 6:13pm

The idea that German mis-behavior between the wars was somehow justified

Not my deal.

Compared to most peace treaties for an utterly beaten power, Germany got off pretty lightly.

They were not utterly beaten; no they did not get off ‘lightly’.

If it had been one’s aim to produce a more stable equilibrium in Europe one might have attempted to do the following:

1. Allow the German states to return as honorable participants in European power politics, albeit under reduced circumstances.

2. Remove some of the structural defects in the antecedent state system. That would be:

a. The questionable sustainability of a multi-ethnic state organized around dynastic fealty.

b. The imbalance in resources between France and Germany.

The various treaties did address the former, but leaving blocs of Germans in Czechoslovakia and Italy and Lithuania, blocs of Magyars in Roumania, and odd arrangements regarding Danzig and Saar. They tried to address the latter by knee-capping Germany rather than (say) redistributing territory between Prussia and Austria (which may or may not have been practical).

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 6:15pm

Winston Churchill once said, “In Victory, Magnanimity”. That might have worked in 1918.

Donald R. McClarey
Reply to  Art Deco
Wednesday, June 5, AD 2013 8:01pm

The Germans received magnanimity in 1918 Art, and I think that was precisely the problem. 1945 left them with no room for a second bout of “stabbed in the back” mythology.

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Thursday, June 6, AD 2013 7:39am

I did not say or mean to “justify.”

The Hun is now deploying economics not panzers and stukas.

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Friday, June 7, AD 2013 6:29pm

I will go against the grain here and praise Wilson for one thing. In Wilson’s Fourteen Points for Peace, Wilson was a strong advocate for the reestablishment of the Polish nation, which occurred, over the objections of some in the West. While Russia and Austria-Hungary withdrew from Polish territory in 1918, Germany had no intention of doing the same. The Greater Poland Uprising of 1918-19 threw the Germans out of Poland. Where Prussia was located was originally Polish land.

Germany is really the source of the problems in WWI. There is a WWI special that shows up on the Military channel every so often. Germany aided and abetted Lenin in order to get Russia out of the war. Germany wrecked much of France. and France wasn’t the least bit interested in being magnanimous to Germany.

FDR was worse than Wilson. That goes without saying.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Saturday, June 8, AD 2013 5:42am

Where Prussia was located was originally Polish land.

The Province of Posen and parts of the Province of West Prussia had been part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Not the rest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth_1635.svg

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