With the mainstream media proclaiming in bold and bright rainbows that the Church is “homophobic,” it becomes necessary at times to move to the vanguard to defend the Church against her most vociferous critics.
According to the highly-regarded investigative reporter, Randy Engle, Pope Francis’ efforts to bring greater “transparency,” “efficiency,” and “financial reform” to the Vatican City State’s government, have resulted in the hiring of the pro-lesbian, pro-homosexual, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) consulting firm of Ernst & Young (E&Y) to spearhead the efforts. On its corporate webpage, E&Y advertises itself as the world’s most “gay friendly” employer.
Imagine that! The allegedly “homophobic” Catholic Church has contracted with E&Y, even though E&Y is reportedly going to refuse to operate in countries with “homophobic laws.”
But, there’s even more!
The Vatican has hired U.S.-based McKinsey & Company (M&Co) to improve its communication offices which include Osservatore Romano, Vatican Radio, and Vatican Television. M&Co’s website proclaims: “McKinsey is a place where LGBT people thrive.”
Good news always comes in three’s!
The Vatican has also hired the Swiss-based accounting firm KPMG to improve its financial practices. KPMG has a special recruitment and retention policy to increase the number of LGBT employees and partners as well as to expand the number of LGBT professionals in senior-level positions within the firm. And their “…partners,” too?
How dare anyone call the Church homophobic! This isn’t a matter of hiring artists to paint ceilings or carve marble statues! Vatican officials are entrusting the task of making some of its most important offices more transparent and efficient—its administration and finance—to three pro-homosexual corporations—including one that officially recognizes homosexual partnerships.
Who are those people to judge?
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http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/engel/140101
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“When in Rome…” tisk tisk.
…..can’t resist this one….”if ya can’t beat ’em join ’em.
Is this one of those moments when you say Dear God I Do Trust in YOU?
Stay close to God and keep praying knowing that He is in control.
Who knows…maybe the final curtain call on humanity is just heartbeats away.
Jesus I Trust in You!
So ecumenical that our doctrines fall out. Give the money to the poor in your neighborhood.
The Lavender Mafia seems to be alive and well in the Vatican in spite of the fact that Pope Francis is clearly aware of its existence:
http://www.aleteia.org/en/religion/documents/pope-francis-vs-the-secret-vatican-gay-lobby-1943001
Whatever gifts Pope Francis may have, I think it is becoming increasingly clear that he is a disaster in the day to day management of the Church.
“The Lavender Mafia seems to be alive and well in the Vatican in spite of the fact that Pope Francis is clearly aware of its existence:”
Some people and priests do not consider homosexual behavior as sinful, not adultery, not fornication. Some people and priests practice homosexual behavior to avoid fornication and adultery. The truth of homosexual behavior is that it is self-abuse and assault and battery of the partner. In matters of the rational, immortal human soul, refusal to grant that sodomy is gravely sinful and the road to hell, the practice of sodomy is mortal sin. If Pope Francis allows harlots to run his road show, fear of the Lord will be brought to bear.
“, fear of the Lord will be brought to bear.”
Am I wrong to suggest that the use of the “rainbow” in the homosexuals banner is a direct slap in Gods face.
He won’t wash out the filth next time, however He might burn it out.
Pray for conversions!
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Francis, a faithful son of the Catholic Church.
To deliver a message of repentance and conversion, Jesus ate and drank amongst sinners. He also picked up the tab.
Actually I think Christ was always a guest, except for the fish and loaves feast. I would certainly have no objection to Pope Francis sharing bread with sinners to bring them to repentance. Giving millions of Church “bread” to public relation firms who are in opposition to the teachings of the Church is quite a different matter.
“….picked up the tab.”
Excuse me sir. The “tab” is running as long as men have free will.
Our obedience or disobedience is at question in relationship to pitching in and helping our neighbor.
One popular version; too many unwanted pregnancies…freedom to kill is good.
Another one for today; God made me this way..homosexual, so He would want me to express myself as I am.
The above examples are what I hear when in listening mode to understand.
Is a moral compass important?
Maybe a broken compass is best, then you can smile as you travel the “wide” road.
MCM.
Not you personally. The wide road is easy and I’m not suggesting you travel on it. The importance of a spiritual leader is to guide the flock to safty…not lead them to wolves.
I wonder how much the fees are going to cost the Vatican, and whether the engagement contracts contain any clauses to reduce the “inequality” of pay between the executives of the contractors and the employees who do the clerical/menial jobs in the executives’ offices?
Many thanks for the replies.
By “picking up the tab” I was referring, too esoterically to be sure, to Christ’s paying of the ultimate price. So yes, though “[t]he “tab” is running as long as men have free will,” the employees of KMPG, E&Y, and M&Co are also “in listening mode.”
The Holy Spirit has given the Church a papacy for the times that we’re in (cf. Matthew 10:16), and the gates of Hell shall not prevail.
Being somewhat familiar with two of the three firms mentioned, I would say the Vatican is selecting large, old and professionally reputable firms to deal with. I think that in some instances (Catholic Relief Services comes to mind.) that we apply a “purity test” of sorts to those outside the Church that we do business with that can be taken to extremes. The US Postal Service, last time I checked, delivers Planed Parenthood propaganda, birth control prescriptions and other objectionable materials yet the Church continues to patronize them (I even understand that they are closely affiliated with the US Government, currently being run by the infamously and scandalously renown Obama Administration!). Being “Gay Friendly” in one’s hiring practices does not necessarily make them promoters of evil and enemies of the Church (If they were that militant, they would have refused to do business with the Church because of its “homophobic policies” or some such excuse.).
“The US Postal Service, last time I checked, delivers Planed Parenthood propaganda, birth control prescriptions and other objectionable materials”
Red Herring alert! Red Herring alert! The US Snail is a government monopoly. One has no choice but to deal with them. Comparing that with hired PR “gay friendly” firms is rubbish. The Vatican either didn’t do their homework, they don’t care or a member of the Lavender Mafia in the Vatican got a chuckle out of donations by faithful Catholics going to firms that despise the teachings of the Church. All the lipstick in the world won’t make this pig of a decision look any prettier.
I am all for using the best professional help available. But isn’t this inviting the fox into the hen house?
At every moment we are teacher and student. The question I have is: what is the Vatican teaching? In this decision I feel they are endorsing the behavior of companies that support Grave Sin.
Why should our Holy Church teach ideas contrary to our beliefs?
Just a question from a poor student.
I’m with Joseph Mulvihill on this one. If each of us listed every company we personally use, every brand we buy, every service we patronize and engage with, I guarantee you there is either a pro-gay, pro-abortion policy behind most of them. Don’t tell me you don’t use google, buy Microsoft, eat nestle, watch Disney? All are pro-gay.
Firstly, There was a crook running the Vatican bank. A catholic crook. Allegeded Mafia money-laundering by people, who I would guess are vastly Catholic. No red herring- it’s a valid point.
Secondly, all companies should be equal opportunity, regardless. So as long employees do their work ethically, efficiently and well to a professional standard. And keep their personal beliefs personal.
For example hiring a gay teacher at a Carholic school is not right, in my opinion. But not hiring a gay lawyer at a firm run by a devout Catholic is absurd. To me. What if he has the skill to be an asset to your company, and respected the type of work the company policy obliged him to take? What’s so wrong with that?
You’re not talking about E &Y influencing or pressuring the Vatican to do anything immoral. They’re auditors. So what if the gay E&Y employee worked on the bank books?!
Who are we to judge. Amen.
“Who are we to judge.”
We are faithful Catholics who have a duty, not a right, but a duty, to point out when men in positions of power within our Church make decisions that make a mockery of the teachings of our Faith they are paid to uphold.
Ez.
I disagree.
We are to judge! Not condemn however judge most definitely.
Our remaining silent IS Consent!
Thats allowing Bad behavior to go without any admonishing the sinner so that they have a chance at “freedom.”
Yes we all have had beams in our eyes, but once pulled out its social justice to mention the spec in our neighbors eyes.
What hits you is the inanity of the hiring practices of all three firms. I would wager that sort of thing is a confluence of two factors: the presence of a homosexual cabal in certain gatekeeper positions and the degree to which attitudes toward sodomy are now a marker among the professional-managerial bourgeoisie of in-group status.
Art.
What hits me is the teaching moment lost, worse than lost, it’s sacrilegious.
The very top has made an error in judgment. If we all said; “Who cares” as former Sect. of State did in response to Benghazi, then what next?
Who cares that the Vatican has selected three firms that support homosexuals in the workplace? I do.
The Gennie is out of the bottle and God forbid our Holy Father to stand up and teach here.
What hits me is the teaching moment lost, worse than lost, it’s sacrilegious.
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You recall Wm. F. Buckley’s reaction in 2002 to what a great many dioceses (e.g. Boston’s) were doing during the period running from 1982 to about 1993: “It would appear what the Church believes in is…psychiatry”. And the beat goes on.
You get the impression that we are living in an era like the 10th century and that it will be a while before the crud on the floor and the walls is powerwashed away. And by ‘a while’, I mean when you and I are safely and cozily dead.
Art.
Agreed.
While I’m still breathing I will not cease to try to help just one soul to the truth.
http://www.courage rc.net
If one soul finds truth on my behalf before I get cozy then this is worth it.
God bless you Art.
It is my belief that electing Ernst & Young’s CEO and taking millions in corporation donations from the company were primary moving factors in the change in the Boy Scouts of America’s policy on homosexual membership. Ernst & Young didn’t act as a neutral broker in that situation. So to, KPMG advises a large number of US government agencies on personnel policies, compensation, and evaluations. I assure you that that advice is not neutral on questions involving LGBT issues.
One cannot expect that those whose stated interests are opposed to your own will actively work against their perceived interests. Hiring firms that promote themselves as “progressive” invites their manipulation of all they have contact with. Auditing necessarily means advising, for example, and, we should assume that advising the vatican will temper policies which adversely effect LGBT interests.
This is a mess… No more a mess than many US dioceses have done on their own of course (witness New York’s paying for contraceptives or San Fancisco’s blind eye to priests “blessing” gay unions) but a mess nonetheless.
“Who are we to judge?
St. Paul gives the answer in 1st Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters pertaining to this life!
And right before that in chapter 5 of 1st Corinthians St. Paul wrote:
3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing [slept with his father’s wife]. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Next non-Biblical comment, please.
This is very disheartening news. We are certainly called to engage the sinner, as well as our own sinfulness. We are called the Church Militant because we are supposed to be fighting, in word and action, evil in this world. We are supposed to be rescuing Satan’s prisoners and leading them to freedom. Enriching our enemies coffers with our monies -even if they are providing a service – helps them to expand their armies and arsenals arrayed against us. It seems to me that we are inviting in the Trojan Horse knowing our enemy awaits inside, armed and ready.
And yes, as they publicly and as policy support false and destructive positions, it seems scandalous to me to hire them.
Isn’t it far better and much more effective to engage the sinner at a personal level. For example, Jesus dined with sinners- He entered their homes and engaged them. How are you meant to engage a sinner when you hold him-her at arms length? Refuse to do business, refuse to work with him etc…
Secondly, I don’t see a gay conspiracy behind the hiring of E&Y- unless I see proof of one- paranoid speculation does not pass as proof, that the Vstican is secretly trying to go pro-gay. E&Y’s “equal opportunity” company policy is not a big deal.
Yes we all have a duty to point out the shortcomings of the Church heirarchy. But, I don’t see how Church leaders are making a mockery of the teachings of the Church. I don’t see an agenda here at all.
Again, I think the Vatican hired them because they are good at the task they were hired for. And as I stated, I don’t see any difference between the Vatican hiring a pro-gay company to undergo a financial service, and one of us individuals patronising say an insurance company that donates to PP. Try and find a “clean” company- I challenge you!
EZ is right. Sadly, we are on the minority side of the culture wars, and most secular institutions are lined up with the opposition, either because of sincere beliefs or because of perceived self-interest. I don’t think Church teaching requires either it or us to have business or social intercourse with our opponents in these wars. Catholics need not refrain from hiring E&Y or working for E&Y. My law firm has taken positions that I disagree with. My partners are aware of my disagreement and we respect each other. Insulating ourselves into antiseptic silos is neither practical nor effective.
Have should have been “avoid.” Too bad we don’t have an edit feature. I live to edit. 🙂
“Isn’t it far better and much more effective to engage the sinner at a personal level.”
False choice. Engaging sinners does not equate with the Vatican taking donations earned by the sweat of faithful Catholics and giving contracts to firms that brag about how gay friendly they are.
“Secondly, I don’t see a gay conspiracy behind the hiring of E&Y-”
Yeah, it is probably just a big coincidence. Sure.
“But, I don’t see how Church leaders are making a mockery of the teachings of the Church.”
Hiring firms that promote the gay agenda is not merely a mockery of Church teaching, but such action is actively working against Church teaching.
“Again, I think the Vatican hired them because they are good at the task they were hired for.”
How in the world can you make that conclusion? Normally when any big outfit gives a contract competency is not the only factor that goes into the mix. Could the Vatican have found firms, just as competent, that do not promote the gay lifestyle? Did the Vatican try to do so?
“Again, I think the Vatican hired them because they are good at the task they were hired for. And as I stated, I don’t see any difference between the Vatican hiring a pro-gay company to undergo a financial service, and one of us individuals patronising say an insurance company that donates to PP.”
Rubbish on stilts. Not holding the Vatican to a higher standard than the average Catholic is a sure fire way to reduce the conduct of Church officials to a very low standard indeed. Additionally these firms are going to help shape Church policies and that goes well beyond a Catholic unknowingly buying an insurance policy from a company that has donated in the past to Planned Parenthood.
Philip: Make sure you “get cozy” with the Holy Rosary. Its the only way to go.
“But not hiring a gay lawyer at a firm run by a devout Catholic is absurd.” Not true. Depending on how steeped in gay ideology the lawyers is, all perspective will be colored by the gay agenda. If one is talking about a homo-sexually orientated person who is a practicing Catholic;
these persons are the finest of people around, for they see all sides. However, in general, the gay agenda does not hire straights, discriminates in reverse and blames God and their neighbor for their sins, not a very good foundation for business.
Philip. I, too have been offended by the gay militants co-opting the rainbow, and more, as though God approves of the vile things they do. One cannot see or say “rainbow” without the connotation of homo-sexual behavior. One cannot walk down the street with a same sex friend without people wondering “IF”. My two daughters were once asked if they were incestuous lesbians. Enough already. They laughed it off but enough already.
Mary De Voe.
Daily for 14 years..I know that places me as beginner compared to many of you, however Our Immaculata has been with me each and every step of the way.
Even when I stumble and fall…especially when I stumble and fall.
God willing I will have my scapula on and Holy Rosary in hand on my death bed.
We’ve strayed into a very timely and broader subject: what right does an employer or a merchant have to refuse to hire or do business with someone whose conduct is in conflict with their beliefs? Collterally, what right does a candidate or a consumer have to force someone to hire them or do business with them when their conduct directly conflicts with their beliefs?
As I implied above, when people are involuntarily/accidently brought closer to the Faith (e.g. the lackadaisical-Catholic employees at these firms), my experience has witnessed personal beliefs move toward the Church, not the disintegration of Magisterial teaching.
“Insulating ourselves into antiseptic silos is neither practical nor effective.”
The Old Testament is replete with Moses instructing the Israelites to “drive evil from their midst.” God said:”for you are men sacred to me.”
That can be true Mr. Masotti. Even the faith of non-Christians can inspire Catholics.
It is not a given though. Using the Boy Scouts of America as my first example, do we think Ernst & Young has changed or its senior executives altered their positions due to the BSA experience? Nothing I’ve seen suggests that nearly 50% of BSA rejection of that progressive position made the company or its executives more sensitive to Christian teaching.
Second example, have the law suits against photographers, caterers, and lodging made LGBT advocates more accepting of Christian teaching? Suing them for their refusal to extend their services to same sex couples doesn’t seem to have made the LGBT community or its supporters more open to the teachings of Christ. If anything, they seem to have emboldened them to oppose God more aggressively than ever.
So, does the Church giving tens of millions to Ernst & Young – a company with a firm, public, and aggressive commitment to a radical LGBT agenda – represent a problem? I tend to think that it does, in the same way as offering one’s business to a confirmed neo-nazi gives such a one greater resources with which to act on their warped beliefs.
Donald,
Ok then, who should the Vatican have hired? Name an organisation that you would have been happy with?!
Your taxes, your hard earned dollar is going to things that actively promote the gay lifestyle, on a daily basis. As is the companies you CHOOSE, FREELY to patronize. You as a well-read, well-informed Catholic should know better!
And wrong Donald- it’s not insurance companies that once donated to PP. they give to PP ONGOING. Your insurance policy funds that giving- unless of course your insurance policy is with Knights of Colombus.
I’m holding my breath in great anticipation of the company you so wisely think the Vatican should have hired….
“Name an organisation that you would have been happy with?!”
Any firm that does not announce that it is a proponent of the gay agenda would be a good start. Do not be deliberately obtuse. It is a scandal that the firms announced were chosen. My guess is that the Knights of Columbus could nominate firms that would be quite acceptable if requested to do so by the Vatican.
“FFG: How do you invest according to Catholic principles?
Minopoli: One of the things that our membership should realize, and that they should be proud of, is that we run an ethically screened portfolio. Our portfolio is in compliance with the teachings of the Catholic Church. We basically screen companies for abortion, contraception, human cloning, human embryonic stem cell research, for-profit health care that pays for any of the aforementioned, and pornography. Yet still our equity results have been competitive with the market as a whole, and that is something also our members can be very proud about. Our equities have outperformed the Standard & Poor’s 500, which is the big equity index, over the past five years and over past 10 years. We’re a shade behind over three years, but over five and 10 years we’re well ahead. It may be that companies which operate in a moral manner perform better in aggregate, but the fact is that you don’t have to engage in unethical practices to make money. In fact, I can tell you that running our portfolio ethically has not forced us to offer less compelling results. We can feel good about that.
FFG: These ethical concerns must be unusual for the investment chief.
Minopoli: Yes, but they make our investments more meaningful.”
http://www.fathersforgood.org/ffg/en/month/archive/april10.html#sthash.nJgMBnli.dpuf
“Your taxes, your hard earned dollar is going to things that actively promote the gay lifestyle, on a daily basis.”
Yep, and I cast my votes against the politicians who support such misuse of my tax dollars every chance I get. I expect more from the Vatican than I do from politicians. Perhaps my expectation is misplaced?
“You as a well-read, well-informed Catholic should know better!”
I try to keep informed and I do not patronize firms that publicly embrace causes I find repugnant. It isn’t that tough to do. I expect the Vatican to do likewise.
May I suggest something I do not believe has been raised yet? In the “Vatican” hiring these two companies with obvious LGBT ideological agendas, (and I base this on ‘history’): somebody did not do their necessary homework, again!!!!
To be honest, I am not trying to minimize the issue, I actually am getting tired of the ‘incompetency’ shown by elements of “the Curia”, Next month, a lot of ‘pink slips’ need to be given out.
Boltoph, this is a serious question: aren’t there a lot of lay people in decision-making positions at the Vatican? (That they are lay people doesn’t mean they are the best people for the job. I imagine there is a lot of favoritism in the hiring there.) Can’t the Vatican command sufficiently robust compensation to attract talented managers? I think there is goodly evidence that they haven’t though. We see similar things at the diocesan level. Does anyone know why Church administration seems to be so bad?
Agreed Botolph! When Pope John XXIII was asked how many people worked at the Vatican he replied “About half.”
Donald, I love that one liner from Blessed, soon to be Saint Pope John XXIII
“…to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity,…” Government of the people is constituted to secure the Blessings created and endowed by our Creator and God. Without the Blessings of God there is only the wrath of God. Does Pope Francis really believe that gay friendly corporations can, are able to and will fulfill their contract with the Catholic Church while they are dead set against the truth of the Catholic Church, the truth of the Constitution and the truth of God in the creation of the human soul?
David Spaulding,
There is some movement, in both the Vatican and more in local dioceses in America to have competent lay people in key roles within the institution. Let me say that first.
Having said that, however, there is a centuries old ‘system’ that built up in the Curia [the Curia is older than “the Vatican” actually; remember, the Cathedral of the Bishop of Rome is Saint John Lateran, not Saint Peter’s. Originally, St John Lateran was the hub, the buzword etc of the Church. The “Vatican” is a relatively recent institution, but I digress.
Let me say this. The Council of Trent had as one of its tasks, the overhaul/reform of the Roman Curia. The problem is obviously very old. Until recently, since Rome after all is the capital of Italy etc. the Curia has been made up almost completely of Italian priests [monsignori], bishops and Cardinals. The internationalization began with Pope Paul VI, 1963-1978. That has met with some passive resistance within the Curia. I don’t claim to be an expert on the Curia, but I can say that they have an ‘old world’, ‘old ways’, “we have always done it this way’ atmosphere. For example, leading up to, during and after Vatican II what took place has often been described as “conservatives versus the liberals”. That would work if describing some of the theologian periti (experts) at the Council, but not of the basic guts of the Council itself. It was the entrenched Roman Curia vs the world-wide bishops.
You most likely would not find the same positions taken now as one would see during the Council, but the atmosphere is still the same, from all reports. The clericalism [entrenched almost cult-like ‘good old boys network’] that protected their own-and actually suffocated the life out of the priests and bishops involved. The Italian Cardinals of the Curia (not so much the cities) are a case in point. A Cardinal from, say, Florence,[I am only using the name of the city-I am not speaking of an actual ecclesiast here] knows certain priests from Florence etc and bring them on board to his secretariat etc. Needless to say this patronage excludes the possibility of lay people, male or female, or consecrated religious who are competent etc. The priests show their loyalty to the Cardinal, who watches out for his ‘boys’. He becomes their guardian angel and they advance ecclesiastically up through the various ranks. He guides them, tells them to watch so and so, fights their battles sometimes. He is their Patrone. Advancement, not mission-power, not service feeds this ‘monster’. They take on the atmosphere-which we can see in some dioceses and even parishes-of the ‘entitled’, the ‘one’s in the know’ who know the ones really in the know-and it becomes self perpetuating, generation after generation after generation. The Curia is still ‘living’ in the past era of the times of the Papal States, and not in our complicated post-modern world.
The bishops and Cardinals ‘in the world’-back in the dioceses are closer to what is really going on [now of course there are exceptions and some might dispute this, but they are much closer to the reality of the real Church than the Curia is]. To be honest, I thought things were actually changing slowly but steadily, until everything blew up during the ministry of Pope Benedict. Many here would say Pope Benedict was mistreated by the progressives in the Church, and they would not be wrong. But the progressives would be his’allies’ in comparison to what segments of the Curia put him through! I actually was scandalized (and I don’t use that term lightly). Much, not all, of the criticisms of Pope Francis that we hear from people really is the result of the Curia’s lack of competency, laxity and yes, intentional manipulation!
I believe things will really begin to change next month, but of course, the way the Church rightly works, it will be done mostly through attrition-on the upper levels. The change will be ‘organic’.
Mary De Voe,
Your heart is absolutely in the right place. I would nuance your statement in two areas.
1)I highly doubt the Pope was involved with hiring these two firms. That came at a ‘lower level’ of management. Now of course, the buck stops with him so to speak, as it does with anyone who is in any form of leadership/management, but I actually hope for his own good and the good of the Church that he is not involved with such ‘mundane’ decisions
2) Pope Francis does not have the Constitution of the United States in mind, in any way shape or form-nor should he.
HOwever, I love your posts. Your heart is always in the right place!
Well, there is much here that I have resisted commenting on because I don’t want to start an unnecessary brouhaha. However, caution to the wind. We need to wake up to the reality that we are always under attack under different manifestations, all of which include “I will not serve” and “I am my own god.” Currently the homosexual assault is full force and our Church has been in retreat for some time. Or worse, seduced by many intellectually dishonest arguments and ignoring the heartfelt, God-given conscious that knows what is truly wrong.
We must engage and defeat the pernicious sexual revolution. This is an unfinished thread as my wife is demanding my presence.
Philip: “God willing I will have my scapula on and Holy Rosary in hand on my death bed.”
Amen