Lavender Mafia Alive and Well at Vatican

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Lavender Mafia

 

 

A story in The Guardian indicates that the Lavender Mafia is alive and well in the Vatican:

 

Elmar Mäder, who was commandant of the Guard from 2002 until 2008, said his time at the heart of the Vatican had given him an insight into certain aspects of life there. “I cannot refute the claim that there is a network of homosexuals. My experiences would indicate the existence of such a thing,” he told the Swiss newspaper Schweiz am Sonntag.

Famed for their striking uniforms of blue, red and orange, recruits to the Guard swear to protect the pope and his successors with their lives.

Mäder, 50, from the canton of St Gallen, refused to comment on speculation that he had warned guardsmen about the behaviour of certain priests.

Earlier this month, the same newspaper reported the claims of a former, unnamed member of the Guard that he had been the target of more than 20 “unambiguous sexual requests” from clergy while serving in the force.

Recounting a dinner in a Rome restaurant, the man was quoted as saying: “As the spinach and steak were served, the priest said to me: ‘And you are the dessert’.”

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A working environment in which the great majority of men are unmarried is per se a draw for homosexuals, whether they consciously seek it out or unconsciously follow an urge,” he said.

“The Roman Curia [the Vatican’s bureaucracy] is exactly this kind of environment.”

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Mäder said: “I also learned that many homosexuals are inclined to be more loyal to each other than to other people or institutions,” he said.

“If this loyalty were to go as far as to become a network or even a kind of secret society, I would not tolerate it in my sphere of decision making. Key people in the Vatican now seem to think similarly.”

The comments appeared to be referring to a remark made by Pope Francis on the flight home from Brazil last summer. “They say there are some gay people here. I think that when we encounter a gay person, we must make the distinction between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of a lobby, because lobbies are not good,” the pontiff told journalists, while at the same time joking that, while there was a lot of talk about a gay lobby, he had never seen it stamped on a Vatican identity card.

Go here to read the rest.  If Pope Francis wants to tackle a real problem that is a direct threat to the Church, he will not have to look far.

 

 

 

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14 Comments

  1. It seems a rather straightforward proposition: the Roman Catholic priesthood is called to celibacy. Those who are celibate honor this important vow; those who do not, should either conform or leave. The proposition admits of no exceptions.

  2. These are not men, they are demons. The priest promises to pray always. In prayer, no sin can be committed. Unnatural men have self excommunicated themselves and ought not be living on decent people’s tithes. They are liars, cheats and demons. My father had a prayer that went like this: “May the devil fall down and break his neck.”
    No wonder Pope Benedict XVI called for exorcism as the most necessary prayer in the world today. “May the devil fall down and break his neck.”

  3. Mäder said: “I also learned that many homosexuals are inclined to be more loyal to each other than to other people or institutions”

    This is my experience also.

  4. Mäder said: “I also learned that many homosexuals are inclined to be more loyal to each other than to other people or institutions”

    This is my experience also.

    I think this is a big stumbling block between… well at least Christians (I don’t know about other religions) and homosexuals.

    I can certainly understand – even laud – great loyalty, but Christ did command us to order our loyalty such that He is the first choice. We all struggle with prioritizing Him, of course, but to many religious people, homosexuals come off as not trying.

  5. The Pope not admitting it to the press was a wise move.

    I cant imagine the difficulty Pope Francis is having trying to deal with all of this.

    It seems as simple as defrocking and expelling the scum.

    The trouble is, they (the scum) will most likely easily turn the affairs of the Vatican into a circus- they are spiteful when challenged. He’ll hath no fury like a gay man scorned!

  6. Having grown up Protestant, it is difficult for me to support mandatory celibacy–or perhaps I should say admitting to the priesthood pretty much only men from the “young, never married” category. I remember over 30 years ago my father telling me the Catholic priesthood was where homosexuals “hid.” I don’t remember him saying it in a bash-the-Church kind of way (he thought fairly highly of the Church–the Roman one being the only denomination left with any “standards”). It was more matter-of-fact, like he grew up knowing that and everyone else did too.

  7. Wait – think of the danger of generalization.

    Bad apples spoil only the ones remaining close to them. The saying ‘misery loves company’ seems to ring true with the this sort of unholy selfish and spoiled behavior.

    There are, thanks be to God, true men who live their Holy Orders daily beyond the ways of those called to other professions and vocations. We read, see and hear their words and actions which reveal strength, humility, courage, and good humor. It would be tragic to allow so many good men to be victimized by this mess.

  8. It would interested to hear what some of our priests around here would have to say – would love to hear a big tound table discussion by priests and I could just be a fly on wall

  9. With all due respect, bad apples may only spoil the ones that remain close to them but the smell of rotten food can be seen and smelled from quite a distance away.

    Having spent over a decade in Penecostal churches after having left a Baptist church in which the senior pastor was a sexual predator–to this day I am very particular about who I will take the Eucharist from in a mass, who I will allow to pray for me in person–especially if they plan to lay their hands on me when they are praying, & as I am single–I am not out having sex. It is commonly taught and accepted in those Pentecostal circles that having sex with anyone who has a demon or interacting with them in a spiritual sense–such as the laying on of hands can transfer evil spirits/demons to another person. As a new convert to Catholicism, I am not sure what the Church teaches in these areas but have known of Protestant ministers who have helped deliver one such woman possessed of an evil homosexual spirit–she was tormented by this demon after having had sex with a bisexual man whim she did not know was bisexual at the time of their sexual activity. Of course sex is a spiritual as well as a physical act–but so is prayer. Of I am not one who sees a demon behind every rock–most of our sinful actions whether sexual (fornication, adultery -whatever) or other such as sinning out of anger, gluttony, etc.–is simply because we choose to follow the desires of our fallen fleshly nature. And I have no doubt that there a demons of adultery, theivery, lying, violence, hatred, strife, depression, etc But it is certainly my desire to not open myself to any demonic activity through spiritual interactions with those who could have such a demon.

    Boy–I probably really opened a can of worms here.

  10. Great can of worms to open. I wonder what the excorcist from the Vatican might have to say about the “contagion” to vulnerable people who may have weak spots or besetting tendencies esp when they are approached by respectable priests and teachers. Although we are all vulnerable we put on the “armor” and we don’t open the door or fraternize with the Enemy.
    There is a visible see able change in a person’s eyes after he capitulated and it grew and there is a change of coldness that is hard to describe.

    Anyway if the number of the lavender in Rome is really legion you have to wonder how so many are gathering or if the recruiting happens and then stays there.
    You know when some of my family were in a voodoo store of New Orleans they could feel it and left right away
    Why did they feel frightened and want to leave immediately? They did not want to be in proximity of evil because they were afraid it would somehow affect them

  11. Anzlyne, I have witnessed the changing of eye color & coldness first hand. In one instance, a spirit was so evident that when it spoke to me through this man’s body–MY body literally moved backwards in the chair in which I was sitting as if I had been hit by a physical object –the presence literally made me severely nauseated–& the man’s body contorted in such a fashion that it did not seem to be physically possible for it to do so. This person specifically has homosexual & suicidal tendencies/demonic influences–I have known this individual my entire life & have seen that they had every opportunity for healing that I could possibly give them-including intervening literally to stop a suicide attempt & to keep drug dealers from harming them. Obviously you only do this type if thing for family–& I grew up with this persin who was lije a brother ti me They simply do not want to be free–& in fact are very proud of their sin, their abilities in the demonic world–and what they have said is their own personal, unique agreement with God regarding their sin.

    The presence of evil, in my experience, is a tangible thing–spiritually & sometimes physically.

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