Hattip to Pat Archbold at Creative Minority Report. If you want a short description of the current feeble state of the Church Mushy in this country, this video is matchless.
Update: Well what do you know! The powers that be at Good Shepherd parish in Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin made the original video private. Fortunately Pat Archbold made a copy, see below, assuming they would do that!
Why wasn’t Mass capitalized on the slide? Seems telling.
Reminds me of the Sheil Catholic Center at Northwestern, though perhaps, worse. I’m not sure there is anything Orthodox here.
The man has a long history in marketing and advertising, so I imagine this was precisely how he wished to present himself. He entered the deacon formation program when Peggy Steinfels’ favorite bishop was in charge but was ordained by Cdl. Dolan.
Only two audiovisual screens to supplement the homily? Why not a pair of Google Glasses for everyone? 😉
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I disagree strongly with encouraging people talk before Mass, in the pews. Human nature being what it is, it becomes a time to see and be seen, and all of the chatter must be very isolating if you don’t happen to have friends to chat with before Mass starts. It is the opposite of communion.
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I have a question for folks: the Deacon speaks of: the Body of Christ taking the Body of Christ to the Body of Christ. I get that; our parish has a simple provision for taking communion to the homebound. But theologically, his parish strikes me as making itself a very comfortable place for the immanentist, who has pulled the horizon for the establishment of the Kingdom of God to within his own lifespan. Just wondering. Thanks.
So much emphasis on “man.”
The preparation of the bread.
The talking.
No kneelers.
At first glance I was convinced that this beyond parody was just that…a gag.
Did I hear Sandy correctly? The deacon, himself, presiding at a mass? No priest?
Excuse me for asking. I’ll run it through one more time.
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I had a funny image play in my mind while watching the video. It was the deacon standing at God’s elbow during Creation with wonderful earnest suggestions for Him as to do it to make it more,,, as Tamsin and Art Deco might say,,,horizontal…more manageable and marketable.
A Parish Director instead of a Priest.
So this means a priest has consecrated the hosts / bread and the deacon presides over a communion service? I will not ask, I’ll just start praying for North Eastern Wisconsin.
I’ll just start praying for North Eastern Wisconsin.
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The parish in question is in the Milwaukee suburbs
yes – in the same area of the Milwaukee Wisconsin diocese is the Friends of God, Dominican Ashram in Kenosha
I should pray too- I am tempted tho to just roll my eyes/shrug my shoulders. They aggravate me and I am not very holy- it is hard to pray for those who aggravate -even with the classic image of heaping burning coals on their heads.
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Thanks for the correction.
(prayers heading south.)
The entire service described by this person is oriented toward man…it is humanism. Worshipping God is an afterthought.
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I hope for the sake of the Catholics in this area that there is a traditional Latin Mass nearby.
Is this some sort of a joke. Has April 1 come early?? I live on the Gulf Coast and I am shaking my head in disbelief. If all he says is true (parish director, etc???), why is going on that the Bishop lets this go on? Is the shortage of priests that serious? This really is some sort of joke.. . .right? Please say it is.
It is certainly a joke Pat, but unfortunately it is all quite real also.
Innovative practices have continued to plague the Church worldwide since Vatican Council II. In a December 1998 statement to the Australian bishops, the Holy Father, referring to Sacrosanctum Concilium stated:
“A weakness in parish liturgical celebrations…is the tendency on the part of some priests and parishes to make their own changes to liturgical texts and structures, whether by omissions, by additions or by substitutions, occasionally even in central texts such as the Eucharistic Prayer. Practices foreign to the tradition of the Roman Rite are not to be introduced on the private initiative of priests, who are ministers and servants, rather than masters of the sacred Rites”.
Noted moral theologian, Germain Grisez in his three-volume work entitled Living a Christian Life, comments on this issue of falsification raised by St. Thomas Aquinas:
“To falsify Catholic worship can be a grave matter. Liturgical worship is the Church’s act; Jesus and his members share in it. Since they act not simply as private individuals, but share in the Church’s act, all who play a role in the liturgy act in an official capacity. Thus, anyone who makes unauthorized changes in the liturgy or encourages others to make them falsely offers as the Church’s what in reality is only personal. Insofar as such falsification modifies authentic Catholic worship, it is a sort of superstition, for even if the unauthorized change is meant to contribute to genuine worship, the choice of falsification as a means is incompatible with the reverence essential to true worship”.
In his encyclical Inaestimabile Donum, his Instruction Concerning Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, issued on April 17, 1980, he wrote in the foreword:
“The faithful have a right to a true Liturgy, which means the Liturgy desired and lay down by the Church, which has in fact indicated where adaptations may be made as, called for by pastoral requirements in different places or by different groups of people. Undue experimentation, changes and creativity bewilder the faithful.”
No kneelers.
Our Church, invested with the power of the Holy Spirit, provides liturgical norms, designed to heighten the experience of all involved. It is incumbent upon us to follow these directives, without exception or reservation. Change or innovation, simply for its own sake, corrupts the intent of the liturgy and must be avoided at all costs. The Holy Mass is a symphony of delight, not a note of which do we have a right to modify in the slightest.
The 2002 GIRM, chapter 2, §43 requires that: “They (the laity) should kneel at the consecration, except when prevented by reasons of health, lack of space, the number of people present, or some other good reason. However, those who do not kneel at the consecration ought to make a profound bow when the priest genuflects after the consecration.” Kneeling is a sign of adoration of the Blessed Sacrament in the Mass.
The Catholic Bishops of the United States stated in The Sacramentary that this Roman Missal directive to kneel at the Consecration be extended so that the faithful kneel, not only during the Consecration, but also from after the Sanctus (Holy, Holy) up to the Our Father.
This means that in the United States people are to kneel after the Sanctus and remain kneeling until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, also known as the Great Amen, which follows the priest’s Per Ipsum, that is when the priest says: “Through him, with him, in him…”.
The Ceremonial of Bishops says:
“One of the deacons puts incense into the censer and incenses the host and the cup at each elevation. The deacons remain kneeling from the epiclesis to the elevation of the cup.”
Later the Ceremonial states about bishops who preside but do not celebrate:
“From the epiclesis until after the elevation of the cup, the bishop kneels facing the altar on a kneeler provided for him either in front of the chair or in some other convenient place. After the elevation, he stands once again at the chair.”
If it is proper for a bishop or deacon to kneel during the consecration, then it is proper for all to kneel during the consecration.
The Branch Davidians were also
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Good Shepard – Bad Practices
slainte: “The entire service described by this person is oriented toward man…it is humanism. Worshiping God is an afterthought.”
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the Holy Father in 1998: “”the reverence essential to true worship””.
In a word: reverence. Isn’t the priest called “reverend”? If the priest is not reverend, who in heaven’s name is he? Not of us, but a self-excommunicated scandal, blasphemer, and his name is legion.
Pope Benedict XVI, Emeritus, called for exorcism as the salvation of souls around the world.
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“They will stand up to be condemned” Thank God for the free press and freedom of speech, so this may be addressed.
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God is not mentioned and the Real Presence of Jesus Christ, only grudgingly. Talking in church, the house of God, before the Blessed Sacrament on the altar is the height of arrogance and bad manners for it ignores God and prevents other people from their prayers. It is like a thief in the night or day.
Victor R. Claveau, MJ: Thank you for the rubrics as needed by the faithful and the unfaithful.
Ditto Slainte . Also pat pose “where is the bishop…” thanks to Victor for putting all that information out there- and great point about branch Davidians Philip ! Mary De Voe cuts right to it- an exorcism is needed. I’d say for good measure with some blessed salt around the perimeter! I love you guys!
OK, I must confess that I am still not fully up to speed on Internet tech. I click on the video and get “This video is private”. What does that mean?
I went to this video only for it to be labeled a Private Video. I had no access.
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Let’s take a look at the Milwaukee diocese. (Stats from Catholic Almanacs)
Archbishop Jerome E. Listecki was installed in Jan. 2010
Catholic population 2004 = 694,508 or 32.3% of the general population.
Catholic population 2010 = 657,519 or 27.9 % of the general population.
Catholic population 2013 = 625,765 or 27% of the general population.
Catholic population declined by 68,743 or 5.3% of the general population over ten-year period.
Catholic population declined by 31,754 or .9% of the general population since Archbishop Listecki took over.
In 2012 there were only 404 people received into full communion = one new reception for every 1,549 Catholics or .59 per priest., which indicates the evangelization has certainly not been a priority.
Archbishop Listecki failed to provide growth as the bishop of La Crosse and for some unfathomable reason Pope Benedict made him Archbishop. This lack of accountability is the Devil’s playground. No wonder the Church is in trouble.
If Archbishop Listecki had been in the secular arena, he would have been fired a long time ago.
Victor R. Claveau MJ-
Unbelievable? Wish I could say it but the reality is the accountability in the Church has been a thorn in the side of Our Mother church for some time.
Your stats. are compelling.
When Bishop Raymond Burke was in LaCrosse a dose of sanity entered in. Our Lady of Guadeloupe shrine and chapels like St. Theresa of Avila perpetual Eucharistic Adoration chapels in Union Center, are some of the lasting fruits from Burke’s leadership.
We must double our efforts in prayer for good leadership.
They made the video private because evidently they are only welcoming to people who endorse their pablum. Fortunately the video is still available for all to see.
An important issue this video raises is the role played by “Deacons” in the modern Roman Catholic Church. When I was growing up in the 1970s, I do not recall any deacons serving in my parish or in any neighboring parish. I had heard the term in connection with Protestant denominations.
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I think we need clarity regarding the duties a deacon may undertake, the limitations on his authority, and whether the role is limited to males only.
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Pope JPII saw the need for the permanent deacons to assist priests and bishops. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_31031998_directorium-diaconi_en.html
Hope this helps.
After reading the document you can’t help but feel sorry for Deacon Sandy.
He is hurting himself and the Body of Christ.
Why do I feel this WI parish may still have Hootenany Masses?
Re kneelers – When I took my Confirmation class to Holy Cross Abbey in Berryville VA for Mass we stood in lieu of kneeling. The monk explained that it is an ancient custom of their Cistercian or Trappist order to stand vice kneel.
I worship at a mission church which is basically a concrete box. One Christmas Eve a woman tripped over a kneeler attached to a folding chair and broke her leg. No more kneelers. During Mass there’s a choice: kneel on the carpet or stand…which mostly depends on the age and agility of this older group. When taking Communion some stand or stand and bow and a few kneel or genuflect. We will have pews with kneelers at our new church!
Help! I have three open videos on this page. The third on obscuring Paul Zummo’s comments and I cannot exit it.
My maternal great-great grandfather came over to Newfoundland in the 19th century from Ireland. He would sometimes take my Mom to Mass when she was a little girl. He refused, although he was quite elderly, to sit in pews, scorning them as Protestant innovations. He and my Mom would stand in the back and kneel on the cold stone floor.
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Thank you for the link; I look forward to reading the background information on the Diaconate that you provided.
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A point of interest for which Deacon Sandy provides little elaboration is the discussion of “Bread” used for the Eucharist. The Deacon says his church does not use traditional communion wafers, opting instead for a home made variety. As the Church requires that Eucharist bread meet very exacting standards (unleavened etc.), I’m curious whether the Deacon’s church is in compliance. I mention this just as an observation…as the answer is not provided in the video.
That beautiful grandpa no doubt met your son at the gates and together they rejoice and worship God – and watch over you
Donald,
In his marvelous little book, Sacred Signs, Msgr. Romano Guardini, describes the overall attitude we should display during the Mass:
“The respect we owe to the infinite God requires of us a bearing suited to such a presence. The sense that we have of the greatness of His being, and, in His eyes, of the slightness of our own, is shown outwardly by our kneeling down to make ourselves small… to stand up means that we are in possession of ourselves…Standing is the other side of reverence toward God. Kneeling is the side of worship in rest and quietness; standing is the side of vigilance and action. It is the respect of the servant in attendance, of the soldier on duty.”
Standing is the normal bodily posture at Christian public prayer, kneeling being a penitential practice. As the psalmist says, “Be still and know that I am God” (Ps. 46:10).
During the consecration we kneel, expressing an attitude, like prostration, involving dependence and helplessness. By kneeling, we express our humility before the awesome majesty of God, perform penance and exhibit a spirit of repentance, and demonstrate adoration and reverence in prayer.
Father Guardini says:
“When you kneel, don’t do so distractedly and carelessly. You’re expressing what’s in your soul! The spirit of your kneeling must be such that interiorly your soul kneels before God in profound reverence.”
There seems to be some confusion as to the posture of the people after the Agnus Dei is sung. In most churches in the United States, a return to a kneeling position at the “Agnus Dei” especially to prepare for the “Ecce Agnus Dei—Behold the Lamb of God” is the norm. However, this traditional act is not limited to United States.
The 2002 Roman Missal has new instructions for kneeling after the Agnus Dei which were not in the 2000 GIRM, §43, nor in the 1975 GIRM, §21, but have been added to the 2002 version.
The section now reads:
“Where it is the custom that the people remain kneeling from the end of the Sanctus until the end of the Eucharistic Prayer, and before Communion when the priest says Ecce Agnus Dei, this is laudably retained”
Adoration of the Eucharist
While the Church requires certain acts of reverence as adoration to the Eucharist, she also recommends others. An act of reverence, immediately before receiving Holy Communion, which has been “strongly recommended” by the Sacred Congregation of Rites in 1967 and repeated by the Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments and Divine Worship in 1980, is as follows:
“With regard to the manner of going to communion, the faithful can receive it either kneeling or standing, in accordance with the norms laid down by the episcopal conference: When the faithful communicate kneeling, no other sign of reverence towards the Blessed Sacrament is required, since kneeling is itself a sign of adoration.
“When they receive communion standing, it is strongly recommended that, coming up in procession, they should make a sign of reverence before receiving the Blessed Sacrament. This should be done at the right time and place, so that the order of people going to and from communion should not be disrupted.”
Father Regis Scanlon, comments on this subject in Kneeling and faith in the Eucharist, Homiletic & Pastoral Review (Aug.-Sept., 1994), p. 10:
“Now, it appears from the context of the statement that the Congregations are here strongly recommending a genuflection, and not merely a sign of the cross or a mere bow of the head. First of all, the Congregations previously referred to ‘kneeling’ as “a sign of adoration” and secondly, the reverential act which they recommend, if done out of place, would ‘disrupt’ or interfere with ‘the order of people going to and from communion, which would not be the case if the recommended act was a mere sign of the cross or a bow of the head.
“That this sign of reverence is a genuflection, and not even a full body bow, is supported by the Ceremonial of Bishops. It has just been stated that the Ceremonial reserves the ‘genuflection’ for the ‘Blessed Sacrament’. Since the Ceremonial is a ‘mode’” for all Masses of the Roman Rite throughout the universal Church and since the spirituality of bishops and priests should be an example to the laity, the way the bishop and priests receive the Blessed Sacrament at communion is a ‘model’ for the laity. The Ceremonial states about the Communion of the Mass in which the bishop concelebrates with priests and distributes communion to the priests before saying ‘Lord, I am not worthy….’
“After saying inaudibly the prayer before communion, the bishop genuflects and takes the paten. One by one, the concelebrants approach the bishop, genuflect, and reverently receive from him the body of Christ.
“Now, if it is proper for priests to come up and genuflect to the Blessed Sacrament prior to receiving communion from the bishop, who also genuflects, it should also be proper for the laity to come up and genuflect to the Blessed Sacrament prior to receiving communion from the priest or Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion. The statement by the Church regarding the laity’s reception of Holy Communion should be interpreted consistently with the Ceremonial. The officially ‘recommended’ act of reverence prior to receiving communion, when receiving in a standing position, is clearly a ‘genuflection’. A genuflection can be replaced by a profound bow only when physical conditions do not allow for the former. This act of reverence before receiving Communion standing is easily planned and does not delay the reception of Communion. The person immediately behind the one receiving the Eucharist makes the reverence while he or she is receiving the Lord.”
I second Anzlyne sentiments.
I also do not doubt that the nine choirs of Holy Angel’s bend knee while before the presence of God. Jesus himself said that “every knee shall bend and every tongue confess to God.”
Yes, hyperbole maybe, but my assumption is that once we “stand” before the throne of God we will have wished we had spent more time on our knees before him in the tabernacles of our churches. We can not get this time back. We can only start with this evening and hope we have time tomorrow.
God bless our faithful relatives who urge us on to holiness from above.
Mr. McClarey,
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In Ireland while the Penal Laws were in effect, mass was a criminal endeavor and pews would have been a luxury….
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“…..In the countryside, Catholics often came together in the open air to hear mass. In many places, this gathering took place on a hill, from where a lookout could alert the worshipers that soldiers were coming. In many of these places a large rock was used as an altar. Tobernalt is one of these such places as it is set into a hillside and the mass rock used in Penal times can still be seen today.
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Because of the Penal Laws, priests were hunted and so they travelled in secret from mass rock to mass rock around the country. People gathered at the mass rock from early morning when word spread throughout the area that a priest was going to celebrate mass. The priest would eventually reveal himself at the mass rock and would tend to the spiritual needs of the people performing many of the sacraments including confessions, baptisms, marriages and mass in Latin. Sometimes on the feast of the patron saint, a collection for the priest would be taken up by the pilgrims as the priest was in hiding and had no other way of collecting his parish dues. When his work was done, the priest would divest himself of his priestly garb and mingle with the departing local people.
Source: http://www.holywell.seomraranga.com/penaltimes.htm
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The Penal Laws were progressively nullified by the Roman Catholic Relief Act (1791), the Catholic Emancipation Act (1829), the Roman Catholic Charities Act (1832), and the Roman Catholic Relief Act (1926).
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Your maternal great great grandfather may have been accustomed to kneeling on rocks in his native Ireland.
slainte.
Your welcome.
I wonder if Fr. Claveau could answer your inquiry about the bread?
Father.(?)
Victor R. Claveau MJ.
Sir. Is your MJ an abbv. for Missionaries of St. Joseph?
Respectfully asking. 🙂
Phillip,
I am a consecrated layperson in Miles Jesu (Soldiers of Jesus). I am also an author who has written a half dozen Catholic books. The information previously provided were excerpts from my book, “On Holy Ground: Church and Mass Etiquette”, which is available on my extensive website, http://www.evangelizationstation.com.
As someone who works with a computer, including some programming, I try to retain my memory of my first experience with the computer. It was a Mac in 1993; my reaction to the strange operating system was, “Why do they do it like that. It’s so stupid!”
By the same token, before seeing the description of the invalid “eucharist”, I was able to discern the seeming, commonsense of the Deacon’s approach, in most instances.
I feel this is valuable, so we can understand the confused compromisers, in an effort to become all things to all people.
Christ, after all, told the Parable of the Good Samaritan, who, to our nearest, current historical analogy, would be a Protestant—though today, he could have been a New Ager. Our Blessed Lord does not despise anyone He made, even those who are wandering off the path.
I had a disturbing experience several weeks ago: A seeker was in attendance at our parish, Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Sacramento, CA. She was repeatedly trying to make eye contact with various parishioners. She was most likely not a Catholic.
I was unable to respond to her, despite being someone who reacts to people with an open heart—I can be walking in a busy public place, I’ll see someone who is in great emotional pain, everyone else is obliviously bypassing the person, I’m the only one who notices what’s really going on, I have a certain childishness if not exactly childlikeness.
In any case, I reacted to the seeker, but because of barriers between our sex, the fact that I’m married and am wary of too great familiarity with women other than my wife, and of course, our rite’s traditional emphasis on direct personal prayer with our Lady and our Blessed Lord, I wasn’t able to make myself react overtly or respond to the seeker’s quest for personal acknowledgment and fellowship.
I was so affected by her, that I told my 5 and 6 year old grandchildren to go over and say “Hi” to her, they’re very friendly. But it was too late, she was already preparing to leave. I felt that she will never return.
Our experience with implementing new, well-intended laws, shows us that there are limitations to any approach; the difficulty is in the details. As much as the Deacon’s approach seems to be off the rails, he wouldn’t be saying what he does so seemingly reasonably, if there were not hidden foibles and faults among our contemporary brethren to which his approach can appeal. People are mistaken, not stupid. No one does anything without a reason, however ill considered and mistaken.
I have a dear friend who has gone over the top because of Pope Francis’ washing of non-men’s feet on Holy Thursday; my friend has become a disciple of a false prophet, “Maria Divine Mercy” (see Jimmy Akin, ” 9 Things You Need to Know About Maria Divine Mercy“). My friend believes that Pope Francis is not the real Pope.
My own inclination at one time was to find very objectionable, the practice of washing non-men’s feet on Holy Thursday. I was disturbed to observe my otherwise very solid Bishop following the practice.
It was only upon seeing a film biography of Pope Francis in Italian on EWTN, how he went into the barrios at great personal risk from narcotrafficantes in support of a Priest they were threatening, that I began to see what was going on. He was washing the feet of the most ordinary, poor, deprived people. One such person was one many of us would look down upon, a poor, unloved street girl we might even suspect of having a developmental disability due to her deprived upbringing, yet she is thoroughly and joyfully in the Church because of Bishop Begoglio’s intervention in her life.
These things disturb us. Our best recourse, according to the advice of the Cure of Ars, St. John Vianney, is rather than taking their objections to the press, to take them before the Blessed Sacrament. I hope that all the commentators are availing themselves of such opportunity as they have to do so.
S Irenaeus says “The practice of not bending the knee on a Sunday is a symbol of the Resurrection, through which we were delivered by the Grace of Christ both from our sins and from the death which was put to death by Christ himself.”
In the Armenian and Coptic Churches, the custom on Sundays is to touch the forehead, the ground and lips before the holy images (I eat the dust from beneath your feet)
In the Orthodox Church, the “Great genuflection” ( προσκύνησις) bring the forehead to the ground, is not used on Sundays
Slainté
In Scotland, the last prosecution for being a Catholic priest was in 1755, when the Apostolic Visitor, Bishop Hugh MacDonald of Clanranald (brother of the clan chief), under the “Act against Jesuits, priests and trafficking papists.”
The prosecution was unusual at that time and was instigated from London; his real offence, in the eyes of government, was blessing Prince Charles Edward’s standard, when he raised it at Glenfinnan on 19 August 1745 It was there that, with a bodyguard of approximately 400, mostly from the MacDonalds of Clanranald and Morar, the Prince met the chief of Clan Cameron (who had an escort of 800 Camerons) Of the men who fought at Culloden, about a third were Catholics, from Moidart, Arisaig, Knoydart, Morar, Glengarry and Lochaber.
Sentenced to be banished furth of the realm, with certification that if he ever returned, being still papist, he should be punished with death, Bishop Hugh ignored the sentence. “He made Shenvale in Banffshire his ordinary residence for four years with Mr Brockie, and three with Mr John Geddes, who were missioners there. In the summer, he was wont to visit his vicariate ; and he often spent a part of the winter at Auchientoul with Mr Gordon of Dorlethers. Government knew well where he was, but winked at it.” He used the name of “Marolle,” his nom de guerre in the French Intelligence Service.
Victor R. Cleavau MJ-
Thank you.
Thanks for your insights and perseverance. Your helping many and may God bless your works.
William Keevers-
Point well taken. I mentioned the Branch Davidians because of the obvious ramifications of leading the sheep astray. I don’t believe Sandy is likely to go off that edge, however more prayer is the answer. Thank you.
Please! Children in what attempts to pass for The Sanctuary? An Altar which is smaller than a Byzantine Rite Table of Preparation?
The use of Matter which in the Roman(Latin)Rite is supposed to be Unleavened Bread, as the 1st Mass was a Passover Seder, instead, is replaced by Leavened Bread, which is used in the Divine Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom and St. Basil, Martyr. Leavened Bread is Eastern, while Latin Rite is unleavened. What is Valid for One Rite is NOT Valid for the Other Rite. And since this is supposedly the Roman(Latin) Liturgy is unleavened bread, this Eucharist is Invalidated by the use of Matter which is only valid in the Byzantine Rite. As to the use of Leavened Bread in the Byzantine Rite Divine Liturgy being offered, the Leaven represents the Rising of The Holy Spirit.
Instead of “Gloria In Excelcis Deo”, this Parish looks to be “Gloria In Excelcis Hominibus”, with a rendition of “Joy To The World” sung from the Popular but Profane, Commercial Rock Song. The Holy Sacrifice of The Mass is NOT Entertainment. It is Worship of God In Three Persons(Blessed Trinity). This Parish attempts to emulate This World and NOT The Next World. The Two Worlds are not one and the same. They do not mix. The Current Liturgy, unfortunately, has been sadly corrup
ted by assorted & Sordid Modernists, who
believe in the Heresy of Secularism(Worldly). This is not possible in the Byzantine Liturgies and the Tridentine Latin Mass. Secularistic Music would work with Neither Traditional Form. I should know as a Traditional Latin Mass Catholic who also goes now to Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom (Bishop, Confessor, Doctor of The Church).
How Appropo! A Deacon & “Parish Director” named Sandy.
This Video is stirring up a “Storm” of a Spiritual Nature & is like a certain storm in 2012 called Sandy, from which many people are attempting to recover from.
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Anzlyne: “They aggravate me and I am not very holy- it is hard to pray for those who aggravate -even with the classic image of heaping burning coals on their heads.”
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The more sincerely you pray to God for your enemies, the hotter the coals heaped on their heads. You are to pray for the salvation of their soul. Their sins will be the coals of their own doing.
Michael Leggett wrote, “this Eucharist is Invalidated by the use of Matter which is only valid in the Byzantine Rite”
It is illicit, but not invalid. Consider the case discussed by Escobar, Filliucci and Bauny (three very learned moral theologians of the 17th century) of the priest who blackmails a baker, by threatening to consecrate all the bread in his shop, unless he pays up. They all agree that the wheaten loaves are valid matter; if not, their discussion is pointless. The case seems to have been a great favourite of the Casuists, as a graphic illustration of the distinction between motive and intention.
: “…I am not very holy- it is hard to pray for those who aggravate -even with the classic image of heaping burning coals on their heads.” . The more sincerely you pray to God for your enemies, the hotter …”
Yes- that was my little joke at my own unholy reaction to aggravation! I do appreciate the true meaning of the words as pointed out by Mary, having had my own hair scorched! 😉
In July 2003, then Cardinal Ratzinger as Prefect for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith issued a letter of instruction regarding the Eucharist and accomodating those suffering from Celiac disease including priests.
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“….A. The use of gluten-free hosts and mustum
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1. Hosts that are completely gluten-free are invalid matter for the celebration of the Eucharist.
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2. Low-gluten hosts (partially gluten-free) are valid matter, provided they contain a sufficient amount of gluten to obtain the confection of bread without the addition of foreign materials and without the use of procedures that would alter the nature of bread.
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3. Mustum, which is grape juice that is either fresh or preserved by methods that suspend its fermentation without altering its nature (for example, freezing), is valid matter for the celebration of the Eucharist.
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B. Communion under one species or with a minimal amount of wine
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1. A layperson affected by celiac disease, who is not able to receive Communion under the species of bread, including low-gluten hosts, may receive Communion under the species of wine only.
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2. A priest unable to receive Communion under the species of bread, including low-gluten hosts, when taking part in a concelebration, may with the permission of the Ordinary receive Communion under the species of wine only.
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3. A priest unable to ingest even a minimal amount of wine, who finds himself in a situation where it is difficult to obtain or store mustum, when taking part in a concelebration, may with the permission of the Ordinary receive Communion under the species of bread only.
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4. If a priest is able to take wine, but only a very small amount, when he is the sole celebrant, the remaining species of wine may be consumed by a layperson participating in that celebration of the Eucharist.
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C. Common Norms
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1. The Ordinary is competent to give permission for an individual priest or layperson to use low-gluten hosts or mustum for the celebration of the Eucharist. Permission can be granted habitually, for as long as the situation continues which occasioned the granting of permission.
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2. When the principal celebrant at a concelebration has permission to use mustum, a chalice of normal wine is to be prepared for the concelebrants. In like manner, when he has permission to use low-gluten hosts, normal hosts are to be provided for the concelebrants.
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3. A priest unable to receive Communion under the species of bread, including low-gluten hosts, may not celebrate the Eucharist individually, nor may he preside at a concelebration.
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4. Given the centrality of the celebration of the Eucharist in the life of a priest, one must proceed with great caution before admitting to Holy Orders those candidates unable to ingest gluten or alcohol without serious harm.
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5. Attention should be paid to medical advances in the area of celiac disease and alcoholism, and encouragement given to the production of hosts with a minimal amount of gluten and of unaltered mustum.
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6. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith enjoys competence over the doctrinal aspects of this question, while disciplinary matters are the competence of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.
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7. Concerned Episcopal Conferences shall report to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, at the time of their ad Limina visit, regarding the application of these norms as well as any new developments in this area.
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Asking you to kindly communicate the contents of this letter to the members of your Episcopal Conference, with fraternal regards and prayerful best wishes, I am
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Sincerely yours in Christ,
Joseph Card. Ratzinger
Prefect”
Source:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030724_pane-senza-glutine_en.html.
MPS writes, “…He used the name of “Marolle,” his nom de guerre in the French Intelligence Service…”
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What was Bishop Hugh MacDonald doing in the French Intelligence Service?
I’m afraid this is the way of all of the Dioceses’ in Wi. It’s one big happy knee slapping, hand shakin hootnanny. I love Cardinal Burke and Archbishop Chaput and the other traditional leaders but really like I have said many times on here before, I go to Mass, I receive the Sacraments and live my life. There is a Lenten program starting next week in our parish but the last time I partook in one of these it became a “Hilary Clinton” campaign headquarters, run by a “nun on the bus” wanna be and it made me so sick I went on sabbatical to Southern Colorado for Holy Week and processed with the lowly Hispanics on Good Friday for a mile or two with the Living Stations of the Cross to the Church for a most humbling of Good Friday services. They may not have a lot of hoopla but they sure are reverent. Guess what? They actually have a pamphlet rack that has pamphlet’s that explain the Churches teaching on abortion, birth control, confession, The Eucharist, you name it it’s there for the taking. Every Mass I walk out of I feel like I have been to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! I am a terrible sinner and I want to be good. But it’s really hard being an old world Catholic or maybe “traditional” Catholic.