Sandro Magister at his blog Chiesa describes the role of the Pope at the Synod. PopeWatch would very much prefer that Magister’s assessment was incorrect, but fears that it is all too correct:
Assuming for the moment, and PopeWatch is not convinced that this is correct, that the Pope does wish to change Church teaching in reference to communion for remarrieds, whose prior marriages have not been annulled by the Church, and in reference to homosexuality, does the Pope understand that a schism may result from all this? Does the Pope care? PopeWatch hopes that this is not the intention of the Pope. If it is, the Church is in for her greatest period of upheaval since the Reformation.
By his fruit you will know him.
Did Pope Alexander VI ever attempt to change Catholic doctrine in such a fundamental way?
Please allow this into your fear; “Throughout history, Church leaders have had there failings. Many apologist note that the fact the Catholic Church still exists is proof that God leads the Church, for no institution with our failings and weaknesses could stand if God was not holding it up. (Acts 5:38-39). Therefore, rejoice that you, a living stone for Jesus are called to be fitted into the Church. Rejoice that you are resting upon the shoulders of the apostles and the bishops, the successors of the apostles. Because there are many great leaders in the Church, when a leader fails and leaves a hole in the structure upon which we are built, we will not crumble, for we are built into the Church “in” Jesus.” Commentary from One Bread, One Body Tues.Oct.28th 2014.
PopeWatch is a watchtower.
The king of the Universe will not support an overthrow of His kingdom, for He is Always in control! The breach in the wall will be filled with stronger reinforcement! The King will see to it!
btw. Who does the King want in His Kingdom? Sinners? Legalist? Both! All!
Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand!
No, the King will never lose His Kingdom. But He never promised that big chunks of it wouldn’t calve off.
As follow up to what Dale price wrote, St. Paul says in Romans 11 the following:
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17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast over the branches. If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 You will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even the others, if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these natural branches be grafted back into their own olive tree.
Thank you Paul Primavera.
Those words are applicable to a sinner, prodigal as I am. Are they applicable to say…a Pope of Rome? Natural branches coming back to their place after having been self-severed?
“The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. Ignorance may deride it. But in the end, there it is.” Winston Churchill.
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J. Christian Adams: “The chaos umpire sits, and by decision more imbroils the fray by which he reigns.”
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Orwell: “Reflections on Gandhi”
“Man is the measure of all things and that our job is to make life worth living.”
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“But it is not necessary here to argue whether the other-worldly or the humanistic ideal is ‘higher.’ The point is that they are incompatible. One must choose between God and Man, and all ‘radicals’ and ‘progressives’ from the mildest liberal . . . have in effect chosen Man.”
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“We shall go before a higher tribunal – a tribunal where a Judge of infinite goodness, as well as infinite justice, will preside, and where many of the judgments of this world will be reversed.” Thomas Meagher
“….does the Pope understand that a schism may result from all this?” My gut feeling is that he thinks so much of his own theology and popularity that an actual schism isn’t in the realm of possibilities.
“Does the Pope care?” I think all he cares about is changing the Church to the church of Francis, period.
It appears that Papa-Peron is leaving some of us only one option (other than disobey Our Lord’s own specific commands) and he is precious little concerned about it. It always has appeared it would come down to this (“In the Third Secret it is predicted, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.” – Card. Mario Luigi Ciappi, speaking of what he had read in the 3rd Secret of Fatima). So it is.
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… “Jesus suffered outside the camp: So, let us go also out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.” (Heb: 13:13-14)
Beautiful, Paul, thank you.
I’m not over the no life sentences for murderers…..Jackson Browne is apropos
Looking out at the road rushing under my wheels
I don’t know how to tell you all just how crazy this life feels
I look around for the friends that I used to turn to to pull me through
Looking into their eyes I see them running too
And then with a different group, he rails against the bastardization of the family.
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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/what-is-being-proposed-is-not-marriage-pope-calls-for-defense-of-family-12766/
God forbid that more Christians be tempted into schism. Isn’t there already enough of it?
Papa Francesco is a caudillo. Look at the treatment of Cardinal Burke, the FFI, Cardinal Muller’s impending transfer to Siberia, the pro traditionalist bishop of Italy and the excommunication of the FSSPX. Look at the ramblings of Cardinal Kasper and Papa Francesco’s allies such as Cardinal Wuerl and Cardinal Dolan.
Reward your allies, punish your enemies.
I have no idea how I came to land on this website:
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/power_paradox
but I did land on it 🙂 and invite you to also read.
The article about power and paradox brings pope Francis’ response to suddenly being very powerful and popular to mind.
DJ Hesselius, I’m going to make a comment that might sound sardonic, but I mean it in an allegorical sense.
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The human brain has two hemispheres, and certain activities are dominant in one hemisphere or the other. For example, one is logical and so arguably would be the locus of theology, while the other is less so and arguably would be the locus of pastoral care.
There is a nerve bundle called the corpus callosum that connects the two hemispheres so that they can be coordinated. In some extreme cases surgeons cut the corpus callosum. When this happens the two hemispheres become almost totally independent. Some functions that require coordination are lost, but most people would not notice any loss in most day-to-day activities.
Pope Francis wants to make legal what is already largely the practice. All his actions tend to encourage the practice of forbidden sexual morality. My guess is that he will not change the moral law officially as he is already accomplishing his purpose. God can’t be very happy about all this. Let us pray for Pope Francis and ourselves.
. . . in spite of the scanty number of votes in favor of the change of course, after two weeks of fiery discussion.
I am a bit confused about the voting. IIUC, it took 2/3rds vote to have the questionable paragraphs included in the final document. Those paragraphs garnered more than 50%, but less than the 2/3rds needed. How is >50% a scanty number? Or was the vote different on those paragraphs?
“In the Third Secret it is predicted, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.” – Card. Mario Luigi Ciappi Not “near the top”, but “at the top” were the very clear words he used in the letter to Dr. Baumgartner, ca. 1980’s.
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Cardinal Silvio Oddi:
“[T]he Third Secret – which John XXIII and his successors thought inopportune to reveal – is not about a supposed conversion of Russia, still far from becoming a reality, but regards the ‘revolution’ in the Catholic Church. ”
(Silvio Oddi, Il Tenero Mastino di Dio, Rome: Progetto Museali Editore, 1995, p. 217-218).
An interesting parallel of the revolutionary tendencies of Papa Bergoglio’s pontificate is to compare it to that of the retired Anglican Archbp. of Canterbury Dr. Rowan D. Williams’ stormy and schism-generating tenure.
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Both early on chose to re-define moral positions on marriage and homosexuality; both expressed disdain against traditional belief and its adherents; both railed against free-market economics and wealth; and both often displayed the flat of their sabre against “traditionalists” and “orthodox” believers who threatened to split in response to their own authoritarianism. Papa-Peron is very closely following the trajectory of Abp. “Rowin’-Alone” Williams.
I guess the pope has his own pen and phone! we have been warned
Tom D:
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I am aware of the two hemisphere nature of the brain, the corpus callosum, etc.; however, I think there may be another explanation for the Pope’s behavior. He’s a politician, saying one thing to one group, and another thing to another. I think one tends to see this more among socialist leaning politicians rather than small government/free market types.