PopeWatch: Dialogue

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The Pope has given a response to the murder by Jihadists of the nuns from Mother Teresa’s order in Yemen that is fairly typical of the post Vatican II Church:

Aden, Yemen (CNA/EWTN News) – “His Holiness Pope Francis was shocked and profoundly saddened to learn of the killing of four Missionaries of Charity and twelve others at a home for the elderly in Aden,” reads the telegram, released Saturday and signed by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin.

The Pope “sends the assurance of his prayers for the dead and his spiritual closeness to their families and to all affected from this act of senseless and diabolical violence,” the message rea

 

“He prays that this pointless slaughter will awaken consciences, lead to a change of heart, and inspire all parties to lay down their arms and take up the path of dialogue.”

Go here to read the rest.  The last sentence is typical of the reaction of Church officials to violence since Vatican II:  a call for dialogue, as if the jihadists committed murder because of an insufficient gab fest.  I assume that no one around the Pope has the guts to tell him certain hard facts:

  1. The Jihadists who committed the murder believe they are serving God.
  2. The world wide publicity is precisely what they wanted.
  3. The Jihadists aren’t interested in dialogue but rather in gaining control of the Islamic world.
  4. If the Church cannot protect them, is it not sheer idiocy or worse to send nuns into third world hell holes like Yemen?
  5. Perhaps the next time your holiness should restrict yourself to condemning the murders and extending prayers and sympathies.  Calling for such fantasies as dialogue with the Jihadists merely makes the Church look fatuous and impotent.

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18 Comments

  1. These barbarians handcuffed some of the elderly before commencing the executions.
    If this would of happened in the States our prized President would of called it “another case of workplace violence.”

    Cowards. Obama & his Isis pals.

  2. I wouldn’t want to have to stand before God and give an account for handling the torture and death of His children in such a manner.

    There are Sisters of Charity in Little Rock, Arkansas. These saints work with and live in the same conditions as the poorest of the poor whom no one else will serve. They are actually at risk in just about every place they are located in the world. Of course Yemen is a very extreme location to live for anyone.

  3. This type of response will only embolden more killings, as you are all aware.

    Also, it will embolden the Muslims who have made it their goal to kill this spineless pope.

  4. Appeasement is not an end in itself. The outcome of appeasement is death, surrender, or fight.
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    My preferred form of dialogue with savage murderers is flashy and loud. It comes out hot in .223 cal. FMJ at about 3,000 feet per second, flash suppressor . . .

  5. One faith serves the most vulnerable of the other faith, while one faith executes the most vulnerable of the other. This fact bears repeating. God Bless those women.

  6. Au contraire…

    It is impossible to dialogue with the diabolical. We know that, and I would assume that Cardinal Pietro Parolin (who wrote the statement) and Pope Francis know that – this statement in itself is not enough to doubt that assumption. So I would assume that they are referring to people who are NOT under the direct influence of the diabolical but who still need to have their hearts changed, such as those Muslims who are not jihadists but who will not condemn them. This statement is clearly in the tradition of “the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church”, and we should pray that it becomes so, as it did with the Roman pagans who came to be ashamed of their own actions.

    The only real criticism here is that the call for dialogue is worded in a way that anyone brought up on liberal pabulum will fail to understand what “awaken consciences” and “a change of heart” really mean.

    But when facing the diabolical, I agree with T. Shaw about the .223, except to say that in some situations the .308 is better.

  7. “4. If the Church cannot protect them, is it not sheer idiocy or worse to send nuns into third world hell holes like Yemen?”

    I was fortunate to attend Mass yesterday led by a priest affiliated with Mother Teresa’s order. He said that Mother had always told her sisters to pray for martyrdom. He emphasized that the darkness didn’t win in Yemen this past weekend; the Light did.

    At the worst of the Albigensian heresy, a group of heretics were waiting to attack St. Dominic. They asked him, what would you have done if we caught you? He replied that he would have prayed that they kill him as slowly and painfully as possible so that he may earn a crown in Heaven. Saints don’t go only where the Church can protect them (although there’s a need for saints everywhere!).

  8. Saints may long for martyrdom all they wish Pinky, not being concerned with mundane matters is a prerogative of saints. Leaders of the Church have to concern themselves with mundane matters, perhaps among them whether nuns should be sent into areas where martyrdom is a virtual certainty. As for the priest’s comment, quite a few Christians have been martyred by muslims over the past thirteen centuries and counting, and other than supplying new citizens for Heaven, I am unable to see how their deaths have had any impact on the struggle between Islam and Christianity. The courage and faith of a saint is always to be honored, but such admiration does not negate practical concern as to further innocent deaths.

  9. “As for the priest’s comment, quite a few Christians have been martyred by Muslims over the past thirteen centuries and counting, and other than supplying new citizens for Heaven, I am unable to see how their deaths have had any impact on the struggle between Islam and Christianity. The courage and faith of a saint is always to be honored, but such admiration does not negate practical concern…”

    Very true, but then again Islam has not had to face the onslaught of modern media before now. If (IF!) we can use media to constantly remind them of atrocities like this then we might be onto something. Dialogue is useless unless ALL the facts are available. Right now most Muslims are only concerned about dead Muslims.

  10. “Conquer Under This.”
    Rome fell, however it wasn’t overnight.
    A few hundred of years or so of martyred Christians? It must of been brutal and heartbreaking to try to hold on to the Faith while the enemy was so overpowering.
    How did they manage?
    Prayer. Clandestine Mass. Hope.

    We might not see the results we wish for from today’s martyrdom, or never in our lifetime, but that doesn’t mean they died in vain. God timing! Always Gods timing.

    May our sisters and the souls they attended be in Our Lords embrace.

  11. Dialouge my Polish dupa. I’m sick of dialouge. Pope Francis wants dialouge with everyone except Cardinal Burke and the FFI.

    Dialouge is talk. Cheap, empty talk. I am grateful that the Traditional Latin Mass makes no mention of “dialouge”.

    Warning….scratched record….Pelayo, Servant of God Queen Isabel, Don Juan of Austria, King John III Sobieski….they knew how to handle Islam. You grab it by the collar and punch it until it turns tail and runs. It is a seventh century heresy and no Second Vatican Council document can change that.

  12. “The only real criticism here is that the call for dialogue is worded in a way that anyone brought up on liberal pabulum will fail to understand what ‘awaken consciences’ and ‘a change of heart’ really mean.”

    The last I knew, there were also Sisters of Charity working in the slums of Honduras–which is an absolute slaughter house for innocent civilians. I have spent time out in the country side of Honduras in several locations with missionaries. As an English speaking, foreign female, I was very well aware that the English speaking males around me and the protective men of our churches are what kept horrible things from happening to me on more than one occasion. I have witnessed armed guerillas run across the road in front of our vehicle and watched God perform literal miracles as vehicle brakes and transmissions that were unable to work–worked–at the exact time we needed to get us and 3 young blonde American girls, ages 13,10, and 5, home safely. God chose to protect us on many occasions. We often saw miracles because they were necessary to carry out the work. I don’t want to shock anyone, however, it is a simple fact that I and the others witnessed these miracles as Protestants.

    It is amazing what one will do under the power of the Holy Spirit. I read a biography of Mother Teresa within the last 2 years that tells the entire story of her life and the development of the ministry of the Sisters of Charity. It makes for some great reading–be advised TAC folks, if you read it, it was written by someone with a few NWO sympathies so you might need to dig through a few things at times to get to the gold nuggets. However, the gold nuggets are there. I apologize that I cannot remember the name of the book right now.

    Left to themselves and their own desires to minister to the needy, the Sisters of Charity will go about anywhere and stay anywhere despite the personal danger to themselves. With that said, I do agree that the protectors of these women within the hierarchy of the church should be exactly that–their protectors–and make wise decisions for these women. The descriptions of the spiritual disciplines required to carry out such a life are awe inspiring. Mother Teresa described many of them in detail.

  13. Let’s get this straight. Pope Francis would rather have dialog with nun killing jihadists who want him dead but not with traditional Catholics who pray for him and only wish him to preach the truth.

  14. @Barbara Gordon.

    I believe, and it’s not at all shocking that you or the others were Protestant at the time of the miracles. He will do what HE wants when he wants with whomever he wishes. Manifestation of his love and concern are tangible. Many however will only curse him when they witness evil and then blame God.

    Thanks for sharing.

    “It’s amazing what one will do with the power of the Holy Spirit.” Amazing grace!

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