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It is so unfair of Republicans to claim that Democrats constantly engage in vote fraud, simply because Democrats constantly engage in vote fraud.

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T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Tuesday, November 13, AD 2018 1:36pm

One man with God is the majority.

This is the Dems’ tacit rejection of democracy: Elections only count when they win.

They play with blank ballots.

God is with us.

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Tuesday, November 13, AD 2018 2:31pm

But… but… I have it on “good” authority that voter fraud never, ever EVER happens! Never!

I need to find if someone’s cataloged all those instances since liberals seems to love to memory hole them.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Tuesday, November 13, AD 2018 4:52pm

Florida has had a Republican governor without interruption since 1999. I’m pretty sure the legislature has been controlled by Republicans the bulk of that time. What have they done to learn from other states on how to restructure elections administration? I’m remembering after the fiasco in 2000, all the talk was about touchscreen voting, another innovation which would cause more problems. Addressing this problem isn’t that difficult, but the learning curve of Florida’s Republican politicians appears to be flat.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Tuesday, November 13, AD 2018 4:58pm

In New York, elections administration is in the hands of a two person board in each county. One member is appointed by the Republican County chairman, and one by the Democratic County chairman. All the positions in the office are patronage jobs and each side gets half of them.

A big part of this mess is wretched excess in the use of postal ballots, as well as the witless practice of providing for affidavit ballots. Our legislators promote postal balloting for convenience instead of doing something smart and simple, like moving elections to Saturday.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, November 13, AD 2018 7:21pm

Or making Election Day a Federal Holiday.

Howard
Howard
Tuesday, November 13, AD 2018 7:53pm

Tradition is extending democracy to the dead, and
the dead voting is a Democratic tradition.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 4:53am

Those who partake in the interference of our voting process should be considered enemies of the State. Public execution of these saboteurs should help to deter others from this traditional practice by the left.
(btw.. anyone, regardless of party affiliation, should face this grim consequence if they are proven guilty of the tampering allegations.)

Howard
Howard
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 8:32am

@Philip Nachazel — NO. Not with words as vague as “interference” or “tampering”, which might mean anything; actual claims for “tampering” have ranged from “running ‘fake news’ stories” to releasing truthful information a party would have rather kept secret to providing financing for campaigns. If we make lying a capital offense, we’ll soon have no politicians or journalists left alive — that may be a good thing, mind you, but understand what you would be asking for. If we make “interfering” with a race a capital offense, we should be lethally injecting all the PACS and the staff of both parties that finance campaign ads or even give endorsements from outside the district. So if you didn’t like Roy Moore’s candidacy for senate, you would have needed to keep your mouth shut unless you are an Alabama resident.

If you want draconian penalties for ELECTION FRAUD, whether by removing legitimate voters from the polls, not counting legitimate votes, or by adding illegitimate votes to the count, that’s a different matter, but in practice “tampering” and “interference” means “what other people do”, whereas what you and your party do is obviously “on the side of the angels and above reproach”.

Mary De Voe
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 10:05am

In Maryland we had early voting at the polls for one week instead of the voters being wrapped around the building twice on election day with an hour wait. The voting place was open 10;00 AM to 8:00 PM including Saturday and Sunday, a no wait.
T. Shaw: “One man with God is the majority.” The majority of one, with Truth, Justice and the American Way
E PLURIBUS UNUM. One from many

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 10:38am

Ok Howard.
May Election Fraud be the description of the act and with it death. Draconian penalties are those which the unborn face due to “bad timing” or “inconvenience.”
Where in God’s green earth is their right to cast a ballot? Eighteen years from their death sentence they might of had a vote but a sinister few took into their own hands what seemed in their minds as a justifiable act which is nothing more than fraudulent..an infraction that might be the cause of countless unborn children.

Draconian?

Hell yes!

Folks who mess with the election results via fraud should face the consequences, just as an unborn child who through no fault of there own face…at the hands of executioners!

Call me rigid and unbecoming of a good Christian if you must, however the slaughter mills keep spilling innocent blood. Where is the justice for these souls who would most definitely call their demise draconian.

Peace with out justice is not peace but extended cruelty for those without a voice.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 10:43am

…an infraction that might be the cause of countless unborn children’s death’s.

(revision)

Howard
Howard
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 11:25am

@Philip Nachazel — I don’t know you, so I was not making assumptions about what you meant. I’ll try not to do so in the future. As for the present, your most recent post is not clear IN ITSELF; you think that it is clear only because you know yourself and what you mean.

So let me be clear: Setting aside parties and agendas, there are a wide number of ways people can “interfere” with elections. At the fairly harmless end are mere opinions, which people should not be punished for expressing. So, for example, some British MP’s expressed dismay that Americans might vote for Trump; they should have kept their opinions to themselves, but they should face no punishment. Motions were introduced, both before and after the election, to ban Trump from the UK; these cross a line, as they are an attempt to interfere with our internal politics, but since they came to nothing they are probably best ignored. If the British Parliament had actually banned Trump, that would appropriately call for some sort of diplomatic retaliation — that would NOT be OK. Even that, however, would not warrant any killing, because it still leaves the voters free to make their own decisions. Voters may be swayed by good or bad arguments, give heed to good or bad evidence, or have their emotions tugged in the right or wrong directions, but as long as the election turns on the decisions of the voters, the SYSTEM has worked, and it is the voters who are responsible for their decisions.

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 12:09pm

Rigged elections and voter fraud are organized (mostly by the democrat Left) rejections of democracy, For them the progressive agenda trumps the consent of the governed.

Let’s see what unfolds if millions of Americans awaken and refuse to be ruled by the imbecilic Left.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 1:55pm

@Howard.
I apologise for my lack of clarity of expression.

If any reasonable citizen who participated in the collection or supervision of ballots meaningfully abused his/her responsibility to fraudulently change the outcome of an election I would recommend the severest of penalties.

Harmless interference v. catastrophic interference depends upon the severity an individual(s) may suffer from the infraction. An example would be a pro-life candidate that did have the majority vote, however he/she lost election to due to cheating representatives handling the ballots.

Efforts to gain pro-life causes suffer from the infraction. Harmless for some.. however catastrophic for others.

I hope that helped.
I have a greater sense of imagination than I do of vocabulary and it’s applications.
Thank you for your patience.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 2:50pm

In Maryland we had early voting at the polls for one week instead of the voters being wrapped around the building twice on election day with an hour wait.

New York has one precinct for every 1,000 residents. That translates into about 270 voters in an ordinary election and about 400 for a presidential election. Now, imagine you have in person voting Friday evening, Saturday morning, and Saturday afternoon, with about 5% of the electorate voting by post. You’re processing 17 voters an hour during an ordinary election and about 26 per hour during a presidential election during hours when most people are neither working nor commuting. There shouldn’t be many clots.

GregB
GregB
Wednesday, November 14, AD 2018 10:57pm

Art Deco:
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I am a Floridian. I went through the Bush-Gore nonsense and the current Broward county business stinks. It is my understanding that the Supervisor of Elections positions are elective positions. IIRC most, if not all, the Florida voting problems were in counties that had Supervisors of Elections that were Democrats.
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My county did the sensible thing and replaced punch card voting with machine scan-able paper ballots. We do have some machines that look like they use touch screens, but are supposed to be paper-based, they are used for ADA special needs voters. I don’t trust any voting machine that doesn’t produce a permanent audit trail for use in recounts.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Thursday, November 15, AD 2018 6:31am

Both states I’ve lived in since 2000 have paper ballots read by optical scanners. As long as the machines are rigorously tested beforehand and not networked, that’ll do.

After the Florida fiasco, I read an article by a computer science professor (in Urban Affairs Quarterly, IIRC) on technological applications in elections. His recommendation was one Glenn Reynolds has been promoting: public confidence in the probity of the ballot, not convenience or tech-for-the-sake-of-tech should be the order of the day. He delineated the ways in which the use of information technology was already excessive at that time.

I’ve been a participant in hand tabulation of absentee ballots. We must have had 1,200 absentee ballots to review. The number of affidavit ballots that had been filled out (in a county that had about 140,000 residents) was in the single digits (two, if I recall correctly). We didn’t tabulate them. The premise of the affidavit ballot is that someone had every right to vote but was excluded from the rolls through chicanery or error. You cannot make institutions run by human beings error-free and the delays and headaches made necessary in order to sort through these ballots and identify those validly cast just isn’t worth it. When I hear ‘provisional ballot’, all I can do is roll my eyes, because dollars to doughnuts it was ‘cast’ by some dingbat who dropped off the rolls because she hadn’t appeared at a polling station in the last four years. We might put provisions in law for administrative tribunals to award indemnities to people who could demonstrate error or chicanery, but that should be all.

Sixty years ago in New York, you had to register in person at the town clerk’s office or the County Board of Elections and you had to do it every year. That’s excessive, which is one reason the League of Women Voters persuaded the legislature to allow postal registration conjoined to quadrennial purges of people who hadn’t voted in four years. I voted absentee when I was a student 35 years ago. You filled out an application if you wanted such a ballot, and you had to have it in > 60 days in advance IIRC. You couldn’t have such a ballot on standing order.

Postal ballots are asking for trouble and should be used quite sparingly. Tabulation of postal ballots after the machine count is known is asking for more trouble.

I have no clue as to why ‘vote whenever’ and ‘vote by mail’ was adopted in lieu of just changing the election days to Friday evening and Saturday. I assume some combination of negligence, stupidity, and malice.

/rant off

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