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Marriage Looks to Win in California

While there is generally little to rejoice at in the results of yesterdays elections, there is a glimmer of light on the West Coast for those who believe in Christianity and Western Culture: As of this morning California Proposition 8, which would amend the California state constitution with the words “only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California” looks to be winning out after a hard fought campaign. The LA Times refuses to call it yet, but with 91% of precincts reporting, Prop 8 leads by 350,000 votes, 51.9% to 48.1%.

President Elect Obama had opposed the measure calling it “divisive”, but although Obama won California by 2,400,000 votes, Californians refused to allow to stand to a court ruling earlier this year in which 2000’s Proposition 22 defined traditional marriage by statute.

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Donald R. McClarey
Admin
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 9:02am

Hope for the future. I assume culturally conservative Hispanic votes made up the margin of victory.

Alan Phipps
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 9:43am

Yes, not to underestimate the impact of Prop 8, but CA Proposition 4, the “parental notification” law for minors seeking abortion, has been knocked down, yet again. I left California in 2006, but the pro-life movement has worked very hard for notification. Parental Consent would be the next hurdle. This is the most common sense restriction you could have. A child needs permission to be given an aspirin at school, but she can get an abortion, no questions asked. It boggles my mind to see how Prop 8 could pass, yet Prop 4 fail. It is a severe blow to the pro-life movement in California.

j. christian
j. christian
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 10:40am

Traditional marriage passed with something like 61% of the vote last time in CA; now it’s a much thinner margin. I don’t see this as much of a victory anymore, when it’s stood next to the failure of parental notification (Prop 4) and all the other abortion and euthanasia measures in other states. Add to this the possibility of something happening at the federal level on these matters….?

Really, what hope is there for America if parents think it’s okay for their daughters to get an abortion without their knowledge?

Chris Burgwald
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 10:46am

It’s becoming my mantra… politics is downstream from culture, politics is downstream from culture. Things like the failure of 4 and the smaller margin of victory for 8 in CA confirm the view that we need to be focusing *as much* on cultural transformation as on political transformation… I generally accept the view that elections merely hold up a mirror to the electorate, and that we get the politicians we vote for, in the obvious *and* more subtle senses.

I live in South Dakota, where two years ago a comprehensive ban on abortion failed by 10% at the ballot box. Pro-lifers came back with a ban that included exceptions, just to get *something* passed, and guess what? It failed last night, again by double digits. And this is South Dakota, for goodness sake, which hasn’t voted for a Dem president since hometown boy McGovern!

The law is a great teacher, and there is a feedback loop in the culture-politics relationship (politics can amplify cultural trends), but I think the electoral trends call for a greater focus on cultural transformation, *while maintaining* efforts wrt political transformation.

But all of that requires evangelization & catechesis, so I’d better get back to work. 🙂

Daddio
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 11:04am

Whoopee. Only slightly less than half of Californians think men and women are interchangeable…

Sorry to be so grumpy. This victory really is worth celebrating. But I don’t see the end in sight for this issue.

Christopher Blosser
Admin
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 11:05am

but I think the electoral trends call for a greater focus on cultural transformation, *while maintaining* efforts wrt political transformation.

Completely agreed, Chris.

Alan Phipps
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 11:12am

And please don’t take down the Obama-Messiah blog!

Kevin J Jones
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 11:50am

It’s going to get worse before it gets better. We need to realize that internet pornography is the greatest propaganda machine for the sexual revolution. For the dedicated pornography customer, sexuality really is just a consumer choice.

Obamacan
Obamacan
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 12:08pm

Wow, what’s the weather like in the land of the out of touch? I assume quite gloomy. Why don’t you people relax and let people live their lives without you always trying to impose your will on them…

j. christian
j. christian
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 12:21pm

Hey Obamabot,

That was you imposing your will on us… I never tried to redefine marriage. Get the facts straight.

Phillip
Phillip
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 1:13pm

Wait till Obama’s Supreme Court choices invalidate Prop 8.

Obamacan
Obamacan
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 4:24pm

Hey jack christian,
Me simply asking why you do cannot just leave folks alone and let them live their lives is me “imposing my will on you”? Wow, what a weird way to twist that—let me understand your logic, you impose your will on others, someone requests that you stop, you then feel like someone is imposing their will on you for asking you to not impose your will? Yikes.

j. christian
j. christian
Wednesday, November 5, AD 2008 4:32pm

How did I impose my will on others? I didn’t. But then you said….

Why don’t you people relax and let people live their lives

…Huh, that certainly sounds like someone trying to impose his will on another…

And my name isn’t jack, Obamabot.

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