Today Senator Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said that senators are excluding a provision on end-of-life care from the House bill. This is a major victory for ordinary Americans.
As senior citizens voice their displeasure with “death-panels” and other provisions in the House bill, the Democrat leaders are grudgingly realizing that maybe, just maybe, some provisions in their House bill will not pass with the American public.
The most recent polls show that the demonizing tactics of President Obama and Speaker Pelosi have failed to cover the growing grassroots activism that is rising among ordinary Americans.
With the mainstream media, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and the New York Times, shilling for the Left, the Democrats have almost complete control of their message. Except they keep forgetting Americans live in a conservatively plural nation who have access to the new media.
So what do Americans know? We know the marching orders emanating from the Democratic Party and President Obama are reaching Americans, but Americans have made up their own minds that what they see is growing government intrusion in their lives.
Many Americans, polls showing the majority of Americans, who were passive in the past when it came to the legalization of abortion and the removal of prayer in school have met their tipping point. They see the naked aggression that many Democrats and Liberals are doing and have decided on their own to voice their displeasure of the creeping growth of the government take over of America.
Especially when they see the double standard of how the anti-Bush protests were covered compared to the overwhelming negative coverage of painting ordinary Americans as “Nazis“, “un-American“, and “angry mobs“.
The sleeping giant has awoken and the proponents of health care “reform” are in for an old fashion butt-whooping if they continue to dismiss genuine grassroots concern of the many provisions in the House bill.
2010 can’t come soon enough.
Taco Man,
Kindly correct “Nazi’s” as “Nazis”.
I’m not entirely sure why you happen to have employed the possessive in this context.
Ill see your 2010 and raise ya a 2012.
Nice echo in here. Im Catholic, Im an Obama supporter.
Again, tell me why the vocal majority here wants to penalize the sick?
Master C,
What penalty?
You mean why are Americans tired of being over taxed and regulated? Why having to pay for such great government-run success stories like “Cash for Clunkers” and “FEMA” have inspired lack of confidence?
Geeee, I don’t know what you mean?
I guess you have never been sick.denied coverage, or been out of a job and had to pay like crazy for COBRA.
This country, the richest in the world, cant seem
to help the least of us [THAT penalty]
I have been deathly ill, been denied coverage, and I am out of a job as I type this. And I refuse to pay COBRA (kind of helps when you have no money to pay for it).
So I guess I will be demonized as well since I’m not being payed nor have I been contacted by any Vast Right Wing Conspiracy™ machine.
Demonized?
I asked why the vocal majority here wants to penalize the sick.
….and I still havent heard the reason.
I asked why the vocal majority here wants to penalize the sick.
See, this is what’s known as a strawman argument. The reason no one has answered your question is because your premise is logistically flawed. Please prove you’re not some 17-year old troll and actually attempt to argue in good faith, otherwise the rest of us will continue to ignore your moronic assertions.
Hope that clears that up.
Since you have a taste for demagoguery, mc, why do you support government-funded abortion?
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/ap/20090805/twl-us-health-care-overhaul-abortion-ef375f8.html
[For the record, I support universal health coverage. But not this monstrosity.]
Nobody here wants to “penalize the sick.” However, we would like to find a way of helping the sick that DOESN’T involve running up vast amounts of debt for future generations to pay with crushing taxation, or the government paying to kill unborn children, or a gigantic bureaucracy deciding what kind of treatment we can and cannot have.
.
So interesting,
I am asking why we would penalize the sick, and if that is moronic, so be it. I have had 12 years of Catholic school education and have attended church all my life and consider myself well versed in what Jesus chose to spend his time talking about. The status quo protects INSURANCE companies not people. I am asking why you all would want to keep that in place. I know change is scary, but I believe that taking care of our people is important.
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master c has decided to don troll garb. Do not feed the energy creature.
psst.. The ‘evil’ insurance companies are made up of people. Like me. And my Mom. Evil healthcare companies are made up of people, too. Like my Dad and many of my cousins.
Personally, I always viewed insurance as a sort of capitalist socialism..
master c:
I find it curious that even with a seemingly extensive education, you still suffer from what apparently are cognitive deficiencies you are unable to remedy in spite of your professed years at academia.
To make the remarkably bold, outright assertion that anybody opposed to the Obamacare death squads as actually the ones penalizing the sick; I take it when such a hideous plan as in its original conception were actually implemented, you would have been amongst the first to dance for joy when the lives of your loved ones are truncated simply to promote system efficiency and cost savings.
So, if anybody is doing any sort of penalizing, it is your much favored fiercely Pro-Abort administration seeking to extend the tentacles of its Culture of Death principles upon the general populace.
Extra credit points, though, for your (albeit futile) attempts at making the proponents of evil as actually the advocates of good.
Master C: Read chapters 2 and 3 of B16’s Jesus of Nazareth and then come back for some big boy discussion of social justice issues.
How about reading the Caritas in Veritate encyclical?
Does that qualify as big boy enough for you?
I’m Catholic, Im American, yet Im a troll.
Nice.
“I’m Catholic, I’m American, yet Im a troll.”
So, you mean to argue that since you’re Catholic, you’re American; therefore, you cannot be a troll?
Don’t get it. at all.
“How about reading the Caritas in Veritate encyclical? Does that qualify as big boy enough for you?”
It only qualifies as “big boy” enough if you read it thoroughly and with sufficient comprehension so as to discern exactly that what the fiercely Pro-Abort administration seeks to advance in such policies stands completely opposite to the very Christian principles essentially enshrined in such encyclicals.
what about the fiercely pro social justice part?
http://ncronline.org/blogs/essays-theology/popes-social-encyclical
a little something for all us!
So since it contains a pro-social justice part; therefore, adopting and, even further, implementing policies that would most certainly advance the Culture of Death must somehow be alright then.
After all your comments, I seem to have gleaned an insight into just what you’re master of.
OK gentlemen,
Enough with the “troll” comments.
Just argue the substance, not the person.
Can we argue the source of master c’s understanding of the Church’s teaching:
The pope’s social encyclical
by Richard McBrien on Aug. 10, 2009
A guy who repeatedly asks “why the vocal majority here wants to penalize the sick” and dodges questions about his support for abortion doesn’t offer much substance to address.
But, OK:
mc–Caritas in Veritate condemns abortion three times. How does the Obama “health care” plan that pays for abortions [see the link to the Associated Press analysis I provided above] square with Catholic social teaching as set forth in the encyclical?
I await your next change of subject.
Respectfully, here is the link from the lead post:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative#US_Voters
That list of what conservatives seek or support doesnt entirely square with my Catholic beliefs, that’s all. That’s what Im here to say, not dodge, demagogue or demonize. I know your one issue that trumps all is abortion. I know lots of Catholics who let that determine how they vote.
Dont know if it matters, but I am a woman.
“I know your one issue that trumps all is abortion.”
I’m sorry–have we met? I have no idea who you are, so I doubt I’ve informed you as to my political beliefs. If it’s one thing people here will gladly testify to, it’s that I resent to high Heaven people who label me and assign opinions to me that I do not hold.
So, speaking of demonizing, you’ve done it and not apologized for it, stating authoritatively that I (and others) want “to penalize the sick.” That was uncalled for, and still unapologized for, and now you make more assumptions. For the record, I have voted for pro-choice candidates in the past (regretfully, but there was no other options). Thus, your second assumption about me is false. I respectfully request that you cease and desist.
And, yes, you’re dodging and changing the subject again, pointing to the Wikipedia link this time.
Back to the question: how can a Catholic square support health care that funds elective (i.e., not for medical reasons) with authentic (as opposed to purely secular) social justice principles?
The basic problem is this: we don’t help the hungry by knowingly giving them loaves of spoiled bread that won’t kill most of them outright (even though we know some will die from food poisoning). “But they’re hungry and we have a duty to feed the hungry” doesn’t cut it. Likewise, we don’t help the sick by giving them “health” care we know–KNOW–will result in the deliberate killing of human life. It is really as simple as that.
The link was from the original post [see the top], and prompted me to reply in the first place. Im not sure if you actually read it, it is not from wikipedia. It was provided as support that this is a conservatively plural nation. As it was a set forth as a basis for this discussion, Im not sure how it is “dodging and changing the discussion” I apologize for all the demonizing. I respectfully cease and desist.
Not sure what qualifies as on topic around here.
Since “conservipedia,” like Wikipedia, can be freely edited by anybody who logs in, it’s a Wikipedia for conservatives, mc. It even rips off the template. Nice try.
At least it was better than your canned apology for slandering everyone here as a “penalizer of the sick.” And much, much better than your third evasion of the abortion/health care question.
I have no interest in talking with you further.
Dude, the link came from THIS post by the author of THIS BLOG!
get a clue.
I am glad ypu wont be talking to me anymore
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