When the Lying Worthless Political Hack, aka Nancy Pelosi ex Speaker of the House, opens her mouth in regard to her purported faith, The Catholic Church, you know the results are going to be unintentionally hilarious:
CNSNews.com asked Pelosi, who is Catholic, whether she supported her church in the lawsuits it has filed, which argue that the administration’s regulation violates the freedom of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment.
“What about the 43 Catholic institutions [that] have now sued the administration over the regulation that requires them to provide contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortifacients in their health care plans?” CNSNews.com asked. “They say that violates their religious freedom. Do you support the Catholic Church in their lawsuits against the administration?”
“Well, I don’t think that’s the entire Catholic Church,” Pelosi responded. “Those people have a right to sue, but I don’t think they’re speaking ex cathedra for the Catholic Church.
“And there are people in the Catholic Church, including some of the bishops, who have suggested that some of this may be premature,” Pelosi said.
It is unclear why Pelosi would have pointed out that when an archbishop—such as Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C. or Archbishop Carlson of St. Louis—sues the federal government in actions designed to protect the First Amendment rights of American Catholics he is not speaking “ex cathedra.”
“Ex cathedra” refers to the infallible authority that Catholics believe the pope exerts when he makes a formal and solemn declaration on matters of faith and morals. It is not a term to describe lawsuits the church files in civilian courts.
In a 1993 audience, Pope John Paul II quoted the first Vatican Council in explaining the Catholic understanding of the “ex cathedra” authority of the pope.
“When the Roman Pontiff speaks ex cathedra, that is, when in exercising his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians he defines with his supreme apostolic authority that a doctrine on faith and morals is to be held by the whole Church, through the divine assistance promised him in the person of St. Peter, he enjoys that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer wished to endow his Church in defining a doctrine on faith and morals,” said the Vatican Council.
The Catholic teachings that sterilization, artificial contraception and abortion are morally wrong—the basis for the suits that the archdioceses, dioceses, universities, schools and charitable organizations have brought against the Obama administration–are in fact inalterable teachings that the church says are rooted in natural law.
Go here to read the rest at CNS. As much as I admire humor, and I sometimes think that the main value of most politicians is as a substitute for vaudeville, I prize truth more. The Lying Worthless Political Hack would have a little respect from me if she would simply state that her true religion is being a liberal Democrat and that when that conflicts with the Catholicism she was born into, so much the worse for Catholicism.
She’ll be made a Cardinal in the new government sponsored “catholic” Church. As a theologian, logistician, and general brainiac, she is held in the highest regard by wannabe Pope Obama. His ignorance, Joseph “I see no difference in a man marrying a man” Biden also is a great admirer of Ms. Pelosi. This sacred trio, along with a supporting cast of apostates, headed up by that grand old gal Kathleen Sebilius, is looking forward to a long reign over their baby murdering, homosexual marrying, euthanizing, flock.
What Catholic theologian ever suggested a Pope is infallible in his laws, or in his commands, or in his acts of state, or in his administration, nor in his public policy?
When I read or hear anything about Nancy Pelosi, I automatically think of the Great Whore of Babylon in Revelation 17 and 18. I realize that St. John’s reference is more to a place (e.g., a city or nation) than a person, but nevertheless, mention of Pelosi always elicts this imagery in Revelation 17:1-6.
1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Nah Paul, the Book of Revelations is not the book for Pelosi. Now this is the book for her:
http://classiclit.about.com/od/brantsebastian/fr/afprshipoffools.htm
I sit corrected again! 😉
How appropriate for this Administration and the Senate: “A Ship of Fools.”
“Brant was a preacher of words set to rhyme. In 112 chapters, he describes the effects of having strayed from God and of engaging in irrational circumstances. Brant laced his work with satirical observations, thus the ‘Ship of Fools’ offers readers an often tragicomic perspective on the effects of the protagonists’ conduct. The fools would like to sail for Narragonia (from German Narr for ‘fool’), a fool’s paradise, a desired utopia. Nevertheless, the author also suggests how foolish conduct can be defeated: by living the life that respects the will and the demands of God.”
I like that term: “Narragonia”.
I never heard of this book. I shall now have to buy and read it. Thanks, Donald.
Pelosi is important because she is textbook dissident when she throws the ex cathedra card. They really believe that the only two unambiguously ex cathedra pronouncements are the Immaculate Conception and Assumption–and somehow that means everything else is negotiable under the rubric of “Primacy of conscience”. Well, even five minutes of perusal tells you that what they hold isn’t primacy of conscience, but moral relativism disguised as primacy of conscience with the help of some cherry-picked, or flat-out wrong quotes from Aquinas, Ratzinger from the 60’s, et al.
The Pope is infallible when the Pope speaks the TRUTH. If the TRUTH is not the TRUTH, then it is a lie…perjury, sin. The Pope speaks the TRUTH and is infallible “ex-cathedera”, as the Vicar of Jesus Christ. Pelosi cannot be infallible or speak “ex-cathedra” because Pelosi is not ordained, nor is Pelosi able to espouse the Bride of Christ. In speaking of the Blessed Virgin, Holy Scripture says: “Her voice was not heard in the assembly”. Pelosi’s voice will not be heard in the assembly, because only TRUTH is to be spoken and heard in the streets and in the assembly.
It has occurred to me that Pelosi is not a fool. Pelosi uses her fallibility to lie, cheat and steal.
Thanks for the book recommendation, Don. Kindle link is here: http://amzn.to/KGpHRI
Interesting point, Mary. How quick the left is to raise the specter of “ex cathedra” in this situation irrespective of its non-application and yet quickly turn around and make proclamations themselves that they believe are de facto ex-cathedra.
The dismissive attitude is typical of liberals. I’ve seen this in dealing with local school administration. Unless you have unanimous participation by the whole population, they’ll dismiss your concerns and “not representative of everyone”. Of course, they don’t apply that standard to themselves, so if you point out to Pelosi or Seblius that their positions are actually in the minority, and not representative of everyone, or even of most, you get a blank stare back. With maybe a couple of blinks thrown in for emphasis.
Why the Church tolerates her is beyond me. She should have been ex-communicated long ago, along with Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden. So-called “Catholics” like these is what has kept me away from the church.
“So called ‘Catholics’ like these is what has kept me away from the church.”
I get your drift and I understand your frustration with why this is allowed to continue. That said, and with all due respect…. how does YOUR staying away from the Church — if you believe it to be the Body of Christ, you believe its teachings to be true, and you believe its sacraments to be genuine sources of grace — do anything to convert sinners, or save your own soul? Isn’t that a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face?
I suppose the idea is that if enough people stop attending and giving money to the Church until pro-abort Catholic pols like Pelosi, et. al., are excommunicated, eventually the hierarchy will get the message. However, I think the actual effect would be just the opposite . If faithful pro-life Catholics stay home, then the pews are going to be populated, if at all, strictly by liberal pro-choice Catholics or those who really don’t care too much about life issues. In other words we would be destroying the Church in order to “save” it.
If it’s any consolation Joe she will be held that much more culpable. In any event don’t let the bishops keep you from doing the right thing. The Lord promised that the gates of Hades wouldn’t prevail against His Church not that he would spare us from the insufferable US Bishops.
“They say that violates their religious freedom. Do you support the Catholic Church in their lawsuits against the administration?”
“Well, I don’t think that’s the entire Catholic Church,” Pelosi responded. “Those people have a right to sue, but I don’t think they’re speaking ex cathedra for the Catholic Church.
“And there are people in the Catholic Church, including some of the bishops, who have suggested that some of this may be premature,” Pelosi said.
Those people have a right to sue … those people with that ‘conscience thing’.
Eroding, eroding, eroding so some day every one can just mindlessly go for all the varieties of death her admin offers and enjoy the perversions of nature on the way there. Questioners will be answered with fly swatters.
“As a devout catholic I disagree with church leaders when I am at work, but I have full respect for them.” this is either a lie or a flat out lie, talk about lack of integrity “I disagree with you at work, but I still agree with you as a catholic.” balone.
There should be a “or” in between “a” and “lie”.
Well, I don’t think that’s the entire Catholic Church,” Pelosi responded. “Those people have a right to sue, but I don’t think they’re speaking ex cathedra for the Catholic Church.”
It is the duty of the state, the government, Pelosi, Obama, Biden to protect Religious Freedom. The government has chosen to delete Religious Freedom for our First Amendment, trample on sovereign personhood, make beasts of burden of men and property of the state of citizens.The bishops speak not only for evey Catholic Church member but for every citizen, every constitutent, every person ever created to be equal and free. FREEDOM
Obama, Pelosi, Biden, Sebelius, the whole lot of them would not be here if their parents had aborted or contracepted them. The whole lot of them would not be here if they had no parents, only practicing homosexuals. INGRATES. iNGRATES TAKING OUR MONEY TO ENSLAVE US.
Yeah. I guess they would be perturbed by the bishops saying “WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD”
Pelosi, Pelosi, anyone, Going once, going twice, do I hear Pelosi? Gone to the devil.
Than again Mary Obama is a Bastard son so he obviously didn’t get enough fatherly love to know right from wrong, he has enough self-esteem but not enough objectivity to counter balance his self-esteem.
Pope Benedict XVI called Pelosi into his office and spoke with her for about twenty minutes. Pelsoi’s “it is not “ex-cathedra” probably means she will not comply. The Ten Commandments are “ex-cathedra”. Jesus itemized the Commandmants in the Gospel.
“Why the Church tolerates her is beyond me. She should have been ex-communicated long ago, along with Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden. So-called “Catholics” like these is what has kept me away from the church.” I appreciate Elaine Krewer’s response. If these people do not like it. They can leave. Some years back I had to attend Mass with the people who murdered my brother. I ran from the chuch in tears. I stopped. I returned to the Mass. If they do not like it they can leave… and this goes for the not too Catholic Bishops, theologians and Pelosi.
Valentin: “Than again Mary Obama is a Bastard son so he obviously didn’t get enough fatherly love to know right from wrong, he has enough self-esteem but not enough objectivity to counter balance his self-esteem.”
Obama’s parents gave him LIFE. America gave Obama LIBERTY. God gave Obama FREEDOM (the pursuit of Happiness). OBAMA NEEDS TO SHARE AND SHARE THE FREEDOM ENDOWED BY GOD. The bishops are giving Obama fatherly love right now.
Yes Mary it is true that his parents gave him life but his father left him when he was 2 so at least in his younger days he probably did not recieve much fatherly love. You are right though that The Bishops are giving him some sort of fatherly love as they should considering that they are supposed to tell people right from wrong and serve us the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
That is if the people getting served are ready so that their souls don’t burn.
Amazing lack of charity toward the persons on these posts. I thought our Founding Brother Jesus said to love not hate, to treat others as we would wish for ourselves, and that what we do to others classes us as Sheep or Goats. St Augustine says ” we love the sinner but hate the sin.”
Christ was pretty good about calling a spade a spade while loving the sinner:
“Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples,
2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses.
3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy and insupportable burdens, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but with a finger of their own they will not move them.
5 And all their works they do for to be seen of men. For they make their phylacteries broad, and enlarge their fringes.
6 And they love the first places at feasts, and the first chairs in the synagogues,
7 And salutations in the market place, and to be called by men, Rabbi.
8 But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master; and all you are brethren.
9 And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters; for one is you master, Christ.
11 He that is the greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be humbled: and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13 But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you yourselves do not enter in; and those that are going in, you suffer not to enter.
14 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites: because you devour the houses of widows, praying long prayers. For this you shall receive the greater judgment.
15 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you go round about the sea and the land to make one proselyte; and when he is made, you make him the child of hell twofold more than yourselves.
16 Woe to you blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but he that shall swear by the gold of the temple, is a debtor.
17 Ye foolish and blind; for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gift that is upon it, is a debtor.
19 Ye blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 He therefore that sweareth by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things that are upon it:
21 And whosoever shall swear by temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth in it:
22 And he that sweareth by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you tithe mint, and anise, and cummin, and have left the weightier things of the law; judgment, and mercy, and faith. These things you ought to have done, and not to leave those undone.
24 Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you make clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but within you are full of rapine and uncleanness.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, first make clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, that the outside may become clean.
27 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men’s bones, and of all filthiness.
28 So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; that build the sepulchres of the prophets, and adorn the monuments of the just,
30 And say: If we had been in the days of our Fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves, that you are the sons of them that killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 You serpents, generation of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore behold I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you will put to death and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.
36 Amen I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation.
37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?
38 Behold, you house shall be left to you, desolate.
39 For I say to you, you shall not see me henceforth till you say: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
Jesus’ condemnation of the hypocritical, rule-bending and burden binding efforts of the Teachers of His time did not contradict the Beatitudes which are co counter-cultural they are dismissed for the “real” world. His Last Supper new mandate, the mandatum, a new commandment I give – love one another. I repeat, we love the sinner but hate the sin. The language of several posts on here is neither Christian nor just. By the way, I did not vote for Mr Obama the first time, I saw his actual and hidden agenda from my study of how the atheism-secularism-anti Natural Law mentality creeps into societies
“The language of several posts on here is neither Christian nor just.”
In your opinion Lone Thinker. It is never unChristian or unjust to tell the simple truth in either religion or politics.
Valentin: “some sort of fatherly love”? “some sort”? What the bishops are giving Obama is the TRUTH, the whole TRUTH, and nothing but the TRUTH. Abortion is murder. Obama is the servant of the people. The taxpayers are Obama’s employers. Being Obama’s constituent is shameful and painful. Every newly conceived human person is more qualified to be president by their innocence, their soul having not been sold to the devil. What did Obama expect? for the people and our bishops to roll over and play dead? It is called discipline, and patriotism. Obama has none of either. Obama’s contempt for the people he serves leaves me speechless.
There is a way of being FATHER-ly Valentin and also being corrective, disciplining. The model for ex-communication which St Paul shows is medicinal, not throwing the sinner under the bus, to convert, re-connect to the Body of Christ, the Church, DMcC. You seem to presume that telling the Truth has to be vulgar, insulting the person, instead of respecting the person while naming the sin. Jesus’ ultimate example of that was asking forgiveness for his accusers and those who engineered his death, because they did not know what they were doing. You seem to confuse tactics with goal. Each human is an eikon, image Greek of God who loves each unconditionally and knows the heart. That is why the Vatican or the Church has never ever named anyone who is in hell- not even Judas so we are asked in Matthew not to judge. The person, no- the objective action, yes.
LoneThinker wrote: “The model for ex-communication which St Paul shows is medicinal, not throwing the sinner under the bus, to convert, re-connect to the Body of Christ, the Church…”
St. Paul wrote in 1st Corinthians 5:
“1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
To follow in St. Paul’s example, the Bishops in the USCCB would have to publicly turn Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and every other liberal Democrat Catholic politician over to satan for the destruction of their flesh.
However, I like how our Blessed Lord Himself dealt with Jezebel at the Church of Thyatira; Nancy Pelosi merits nothing less. As St. John wrote in Revelation 2:20-23:
“20 Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. 22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. 23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.”
And let’s not forget Hymenaeus and Alexander in 1st Timothy 1:18-20:
“18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.”
Last but not least, there is the example of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5:1-11. They weren’t thrown under the bus. They were struck dead where they stood:
1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession. 2 And he kept back part of the proceeds, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
5 Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last. So great fear came upon all those who heard these things. 6 And the young men arose and wrapped him up, carried him out, and buried him.
7 Now it was about three hours later when his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter answered her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for so much?”
She said, “Yes, for so much.”
9 Then Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Then immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. And the young men came in and found her dead, and carrying her out, buried her by her husband. 11 So great fear came upon all the church and upon all who heard these things.
“The model for ex-communication which St Paul shows is medicinal, not throwing the sinner under the bus,”
Saint Paul was also no slouch at calling a spade a spade:
“I wish that those who are upsetting you would castrate themselves!”
“1 Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times. 2 Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked, 3 Without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness, 4 Traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God: 5 Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid. 6 For of these sort are they who creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, who are led away with divers desires: 7 Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Mambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth, men corrupted in mind, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no farther; for their folly shall be manifest to all men, as theirs also was. ”
And with apologies to all Cretans reading the blog in Internet land:
“One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretans are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;”
I use that line from Paul to show that even he, who wrote i Cor 13 and was such a pastoral Father to his flock “lost it” over the Judaizers who wanted to impose circumcision on his Celtic church ( Galatian in Asia, today’s Turkey church who were not ever Jewish. His anger was quite understandable with those snakes creeping in to undermine his work, even if we shudder at his language. There are ample examples of the OT where God promises all sorts of vile punishments and relented. I am sure Paul exaggerated when he labelled all Cretans just as some Protestants do it for all Catholics and Leftists and Rightists do it to the other side. Thoughtful people try to make their criticisms accurate and just and truthful. Enough said, Eucharistic Congress opening starts now.
Oy!
If you love the sinner you will do the Spiritual Works for her/him.
Admonish the sinner.
Counsel the doubtful.
Instruct the ignorant.
A translation of an OT Bible dictum: “Spare the rod, hate the child.”
Refraining from throwing the lack-of-charity card means never having to double down on a losing hand.