Dr. Ed Peters: “Nancy Pelosi will not change on her own”

Dr. Ed Peters’ response to the fact that Nancy Pelosi took communion at Pope Francis’ Mass bears quoting in full:

Communion time in St. Peter’s is, for the vast majority of lay persons (not heads of state, and not folks chosen to receive from the pope), pretty much a mob scene, so there is nothing to be gleaned from the fact that Nancy Pelosi took holy Communion at Pope Francis’ installation Mass — nothing, that is, except that either Pelosi suffers from one of the most malformed consciences in the annals of American Catholic politics or that she is simply hell bent on using her Catholic identity to attack Catholic values at pretty much every opportunity. Certainly, Pelosi’s taking the Sacrament is not, in the slightest, a Roma locuta on pro-abortion Catholics and Communion.

Nancy Pelosi is America’s problem, not Rome’s, and it is obvious that, if left to her own lights, she will never mend her ways. For her sake, therefore, and for those confused by the chronic scandal she gives, Pelosi needs to be formally warned against taking holy Communion for so long as she promotes, as consistent with our Catholic faith, a variety of gravely immoral policies (per cc. 916, 1339); ministers, meanwhile, in her environs need to be directed to withhold Communion from her till advised otherwise by the competent ecclesiastical authority (per c. 915).

Dr. Ed Peters, In the Light of the Law March 20, 2013.

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  1. Pope Francis has made it quite clear on his attitude to politicians who persue a liberal pro abortion, and pro anything else agenda that contravenes the Church’s teaching, that they should be excluded from Holy Communion until they recant their position.
    Who is her bishop, and what is he doing about it?

  2. Rep. Nancy Pelosi-D (CA-12) resides in the Archdiocese of San Francisco. Her ordinary is Archbishop Cordileone.

    What is the Archbishop doing about the Pelosi scandal? Nothing in public, double-secret probation maybe?

    Also residing in the same diocese are Catholic but pro-abortionists Rep. Jackie Spier-D (CA-14), Rep. Anna Eshoo-D (CA-18), and Rep. Lynn Woolsey-D (CA-6). Woolsey retired from Congress this year and Eshoo is a Chaldean Catholic, her ordinary is Bishop Mar Sarhad Yawsip Jammo of the Eparchy of Saint Peter the Apostle (Western U.S.). Rep. Eshoo was, with Vice-President Biden, a delegate chosen by Obama to attend Pope Francis’s installation.

    Did I say “Pelosi scandal”? It’s the Pelosi et. al. scandal!

  3. The delegation is, itself a scandal. It is as though the Administration intentionally sent those who masquerade as Catholic as a direct insult. (I am reminded of Blazing Saddles.)

    Does he really think that the Vatican doesn’t know precisely the public beliefs of these folks or that such an affront will not have an effect on the Vatican’s relationship with the Administration or is it that so many of our fellow Catholics accept “freedom of conscience” as the highest good that it no longer matters?

  4. “Pelosi needs to be formally warned”

    Pelosi needs to be excommunicated. Not only does she vote pro-abort, she has long sought to confuse the public as to teaching of the Catholic Church in regard to abortion and other issues. If she is not subject to the sanction of excommunication, than it truly has no more meaning.

  5. Jesus the Christ who has chosen His Vicar on earth the Bishop of Rome and the college of bishops did not grant ME or YOU permission to judge the interior state of anyone’s soul. I have no idea what if any bishop or archbishop said or did with any US public figure in private or by letter, Except Archbishop Naumann of KC KS who publicly spoke about his communication with Secretary Sibelius former governor of KS. Moral theology distinguishes between different types of ignorance, vincible and invincible. Does Ms Pelosi know and ignore or not know. IF she was formed in her faith since the 1960’s in San Francisco, can we guess at what incense, bells or vestments she witnessed at Mass and what formation she had and in what school. A Demo POTUS picks his Party to represent the US at papal events a GOP his, “W” attended JP11’s funeral. HE sent a cardinal a friend of the Bush family, former papal nuncio to ask “W” as did his own Daddy not to invade Iraq. Some listen and act, some nail the Christ to the Cross. I for one dare not judge anyone’s inner thinking or her Archbishop’s or any Popes’ who are elected to SHEPHERD A BIG WORLD as they see it..

  6. Lone Thinker, what are we to do when someone flaunts their own self worship and teaches lies to vulnerable Christians?

  7. “Does Ms Pelosi know and ignore or not know. IF she was formed in her faith since the 1960′s in San Francisco, can we guess at what incense, bells or vestments she witnessed at Mass and what formation she had and in what school.”

    Rubbish. Pelosi is of pre-Vatican II vintage. Her father was the late Thomas D’Alesandro, Jr., the corrupt former Democrat Mayor of Baltimore. She graduated from elite Catholic institutions, all pre-Vatican II. She knows better, she just doesn’t give a damn. Her true religion is left wing liberalism.

  8. Still does not allow me to judge her soul. Neither does it explain what spiritual example she experienced in Baltimore. As to the other question posed to me, I caught heck from pro-aborts and pro-death penalty advocates in my active teaching and public life in the USA and still do in retirement in a secluded home surrounded by trees and a lovely garden in northern Europe. The snakes and rats get in through all media including the internet.
    JFK died fifty years ago this November. Dear GOP friends hate his name and family. I always say if the Right want to listen- compare what he may have done privately with his “man bits” to what RWR and “W” did and Barry O’ 8th cousin Irish citizen in JFK’s ancestral homeland did and do with their use of tax money and air force bombers and drones. GOD knows, I certainly do not.
    But I do try to have a weltenschaung. A global outlook. Popes do also with more grace and wisdom than I can only admire.

  9. Still does not allow me to judge her soul.

    We’re not judging her soul. She has very publicly proclaimed public policy positions that are opposed to Church teaching. In doing so, she has caused a grave scandal, and until she renounces those positions publicly, she is unworthy of receiving Holy Communion. From the Catechism:

    2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. the person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor’s tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

    2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”85 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep’s clothing.86

    2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

    Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to “social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.”87 This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,88 or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

    2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. “Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!”89

  10. “Still does not allow me to judge her soul.”

    It sure allows us to judge her conduct and to assume that she was properly instructed in the Faith. When she publicly contradicts Church teaching she knows precisely what she is doing. That she has not yet been excommunicated is a grave scandal.

  11. Thank all of you. It seems my plain objective teaching is still being perceived as YELLING and being JUDGMENTAL. I have long since tired of irrational discourse and being lectured by irrelevant and obvious facts that are not or never were in dispute.” Shalom All Y’all” as we said in Arkansas synagogues AND if you add “Come back y’all.” I aint gonna be here. Ya hear that Y’all?

  12. No one is judging her soul. Not one person said, “She’s going to hell.” They’re saying that she shouldn’t receive communion. But the bible is quite clear that those who receive unworthily bring condemnation to themselves. Saying that out loud isn’t “judging” in the sense that it’s a human condemning someone, it’s observing the truth & pointing it out. Me saying, “the bible says she’ll probably end up in hell,” doesn’t make it so because God is all-merciful. She could have a death-bed conversion, who knows? And me saying that doesn’t make it so either. Me saying, “the bible says she’ll probably end up in hell,” could put me in the “lest you be judged” category, but pointing out someone else’s blatant sin is actually a work of mercy, not a “judgment” in the biblical sense.

  13. The problem I have with lone thinkers lone thinking is that lone thinking is not thinking with the rest of the body of Christ. To be excommunicated is certainly to be denied holy Communion and all the Sacraments. But a certain very functional part over the centuries has been the earthly “effect” or consequences of being out of communion with the rest of the body. Ostracized. Anathema. Without that fellowship. Without even burial in the Church during ages when Death was perhaps a more present reality. Now there are so many Nancy Pelosi types ( look at the list of the Obama delegation) that they feel no social pressure, in fact they feel vindicated and superior.
    So they are forming their own group and think they will prevail.. and you know, they do have a certain unity among themselves. meanwhile all the “lone thinkers” we know keep firing their weapons into our circle of communio

  14. that is supposed to read:
    all the “lone thinker” Catholics we know among us keep firing their weapons into our circle of communio.

  15. If she is not excommunicated formally by her bishop, is there any recourse in canon law? Can the bishop conveniently turn a blind eye and that’s the end of the matter as far as the Church is concerned?

  16. Pelosi, Biden, and their ilk have already excommunicated themselves from the Church. It is quite obvious that they are not believers, otherwise they would not have been willing to cheaply sell their souls.
    Certainly, they are an embarrassment to the Church and Archbishop Cordileone places his own soul in serious jeopardy by not showing solicitation for the souls of these heretics, but more importantly, for the souls who have been led astray, and will continue to be led astray by Pelosi’s example.
    Archbishop Cordileone and all other faithful bishops around the country must make a definitive and very public statement denouncing such politicians.
    Pelosi has emasculated Archbishop Cordileone. How much longer do we have to wait for authentic Church leadership?

  17. Nothing of a disciplinary nature is going to happen to Pelosi this side of the veil. I’ll bet $50 that, after she shuffles off this mortal coil, she gets a Catholic funeral, too. Any takers?

  18. After chucking a pale full of stones yesterday I believe lone-thinker has a valid and worthy view.
    Last weekends Gospel fits here.
    The trouble with admonishing sinners is you don’t know their hearts fully, nor do we know their last confession. We shouldn’t know.
    I apologize for my rant on what was suppose to be “good fun” at obama.
    May God have Mercy on All of us.

  19. I remember when there was a “dirty” movie playing down at the Rivoli Theatre, our Pastor would stand outside and turn away his parishioners. Pelosi is a non-existent Catholic.

  20. Her father was the late Thomas D’Alesandro, Jr., the corrupt former Democrat Mayor of Baltimore.

    He was never indicted, but it would not surprise me as Maryland had a wretched political culture. (Spiro Agnew’s attorney later reported that Agnew had told him that bribery of the sort of which Agnew was accused had been going on ‘for a thousand years’.) That having been said, d’Alesandro was a decent chap in many respects, a local insurance agent with a large family who lived in an unremarkable row house in Baltimore to the end of his life. I doubt he ever in his life advocated vice and immorality. Even if he got on the wrong side of the law (or, more likely, provided a conduit for others to benefit from illicit activity), it is difficult to regard him as unappealing when compared to his gaudy daughter.

  21. Jesus said to the adulteress, after saving her from stoning -and shaming her accusers: “Go and sin no more.” I ask myself: What if this same woman were caught again in adultery after Jesus’ display of mercy and rebuke to her accusers? What if those same accusers again confronted Jesus with the question whether the law should be applied so that she should be stoned after the repeated sin? Would Jesus then have condemned her and allowed the stoning? I think not – and believe that he would forgiven seven times – or seven times seventy times – so great is His mercy. What are the bishops to do? I think the answer is obvious.

  22. Philip: Jesus Christ forgave the woman her sins because she appealed to Him, like every one of us does in confession. Jesus Christ is the only innocent man WHO ever lived. I can forgive my murderer, I cannot forgive your murderer, without becoming an accessory after the fact of a crime or sin. Pelosi has become a hardened sinner and unless Pelosi is chased down with a bucket of stones she may not appeal to confession. Being a constituent of a crooked politician is reason enough to demand recourse for injury. Our infant children must be protected from being seduced into the wasteland of Pelosi’s soul.

  23. Canons 712 and 916 do not require excommunication.

    Canon 712 provides that “Those who are publicly unworthy are forbidden from receiving the
    Divine Eucharist” and Canon 915 provides that “Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

    Neither is a penal provision and they are designed for the protection of the sacrament and to avoid scandal. Canon 712 is directed to the individual and Canon 915 to the minister of the sacrament.

  24. The thing about Maryland is that fully 30% of the population are residents of metropolitan Washington, which has a very unusual occupational mix. If the set of counties and municipalities which make up the federal metropolis were segregated from the surrounding territory, the politics of Maryland and Virginia would be quite different. The residuum of Maryland is almost evenly divided between big-city Rustbelt and Southern-lite. Clubhouse politics was still important in Baltimore into the 1980s.

  25. Mary De Voe-
    I’m struggling with that fine line.
    I want to speak from the rooftops for the sake of the murdered unborn.
    However what good am I if I am a modern day Pharisee. If we are to be judged on love more than any other virtue, thwn

  26. It’s important to keep in mind that excommunication is not a punishment, or at least it is not principally a punishment. The ultimate goal of excommunication is actually to bring that person back to full communion through correction. If Pelosi is allowed to continue her public break from Catholic teaching and allowed to spread scandal as she has without censure, then she may never be brought to the truth. So for those who continue to push back against excommunication, I hope you realize you’re in a way pushing for a non-course of action that is as damaging if not more so to Ms. Pelosi’s soul than the status quo approach.

  27. A lot has been said, with obvious merit, about Pelosi and Catholic pols like her who use their power to advocate policies that undermine core teachings of the Church. If this is the case, is it not also scandalous, of equal or perhaps greater degree, that the Catholic hierarchy has really done nothing about it?

    The purpose of excommunication is a spiritual work of mercy, as well as an act of justice, to admonish the sinner and protect those who might be scandalized by the conduct of the sinner.

    Certainly, one can question whether or not excommunication would have a positive effect on bringing Pelosi and others like her around get them to clean up their act. As to the scandalous effect of such behavior, Pelosi’s Catholic influence is practically nil. Even the most igorant of Catholics and even those hostile to the Church know and admit that Pelosi’s positions are seriously out of line with the teaching of the Church.

    So, would excommunication help? Maybe. Maybe not. But it certainly wouldn’t hurt. Anathema sit and be done with it, I say! Then maybe we won’t have to listen to people like Ed Peters bitch and moan about heterodox Catholic politicians while looking the other way at the scandalous behavior of their “orthodox” Catholic celeb buddies who slander or protect them with their silence.

    Then we can honestly say we have made a good faith attempt to pull the board out of own eye before removing the speck out of our bother’s.

  28. Bishops please intervene if you haven’t already. Brothers and sisters in Christ pray for this blatant sacrilege to cease.
    For your Holy Church Father please assist us.

  29. “I caught heck from pro-aborts and pro-death penalty advocates” “their Creator endows the newly begotten soul with unalienable rights” What God has joined togther let no man put asunder”. Man is composed of human body and rational soul at the will of God. Abortion puts God’s will asunder.
    I can forgive my murderer. I cannot forgive your murderer without becoming an accomplice after the fact. It is the duty of every citizen to bring a criminal to Justice. Judges in court are the personification of almighty God’s perfect Justice.

  30. In a January 2009 speech Pelosi said: ” We cannot afford these people. They have to be aborted.” More infamous than her: “Pass it (Obamacare) so we can learn what is in it.”, Pelosi said that the state owns the unborn to be aborted at will. Pelosi also said that she speaks for all of “WE”, the people.” Pelosi abandoned the unborn to abortion. Pelosi does not speak for the unborn. Pelosi did not listen to our Pope, her bishop or any pro-life constituents. Pelosi cannot speak for us. So, for Whom does Pelosi think she speaks? Why does Pelosi persecute the innocent virgins in the womb? Pelosi is good, the perfect mannequin.
    @ Philip: Do not call yourself a Pharisee, let others do it. Our founding principles are all you need. Those in the bottomless pit havn’t a leg to stand on. And its OK to fail.

  31. I do not wish to be a Pilate. While I do not have the ability to forestall the slaughter of the unborn, cannot change anything, or save these babies, I can protest from the depth of my heart, which is encompassed with pity, indignation and anger. The consciousness of these feelings does not free me of the responsibility of condemning the crime. God, who does not allow murder, requires this protest from each of us. It is required of a Catholic conscience. Each human being has a right to life and brotherly love. The blood of the innocent calls for vengeance to the heavens. He who does not support this protest is not Catholic.

  32. Mary De Voe-
    Jesus did open up on the money-changers in His Fathers house. Driving them OUT.
    Seems the den of thieves have camped out in Washington way to long.
    Are we getting what we deserve as nation?
    Is it an extreme case of apathy?
    I wonder how many million more fetuses will be sacrificed.
    God knows. I guess we must trust that our contribution, prayers and witness is enough, and ultimately He will set injustices right.
    When there seems to be no way, He makes a way.
    Thanks for your suggestion. ( pharisee )

  33. Maryland has long been a bastion of Democrat political control, regardless of the base of population. Baltimore City is Democrat. When Baltimore and its suburbs had most of the state’s population it was run by Democrats. now the biggest share of the population is metro Washington, made up of the counties of Montgomery and Prince George’s with significant amounts of Washington area workers residing in Frederick, Howard and Anne Arundel counties. It is also not uncommon for people who live close to Baltimore to commute via MARC train. I did that when I worked in DC. Those people need a large federal government, whether or not they work for the federal government.

    The Democrat Party in Maryland , be it Baltimore city, one of the counties or the state government, is among the most corrupt in the country.

    Virginia is different. Much of Virginia is still the South, but Fairfax, Alexandria, Arlington, and much of Loudoun and Prince William are not. Obumbler’s wins in Virginia are, in my opinion, a fluke. Obumbler ran against two weak Republicans. Obumbler turned out the large black vote in Richmond and the tidewater. the Dems do not won virginia like they own Maryland, and they won’t. Maryland is politically much more like New Jersey.

    I am so glad I escaped the political cesspool that is the Washington area. Now I can go back to tuning out politics and can concentrate on how to survive the next 46 months of this pinhead dictator occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    Nancy Pelosi’s religion is Democrat Party politics. The USCCB will NEVER stand up to the likes of Pelosi, just as they never stood up to Teddy Kennedy or others of that ilk. God will judge that woman, her actions and her words, whether or not she thinks God will do so.

  34. “In a January 2009 speech Pelosi said: ” We cannot afford these people. They have to be aborted.”


    I can find no actual source for this exact phrase. If attributing such to Pelosi, do you have a source?

    This would be huge if it actually occurred, and I wouldn’t put it past Pelosi to THINK it — but in attributing such words to her, I’d like to read an actual transcript, or audio or video documentation, to believe Pelosi phrased it in exactly this manner in a public speech.

  35. Thank you Anzlyne.

    So — the first citation is actual, and it is indeed different from the attributed phrase “we cannot afford these people, they have to be aborted.”

    The second “citation” in the article admits to being satire.

    Now — I recognize (and believe) that contraception is on an equatable level of evil as the abortion of a child. Both are offenses against the sanctity of life. But I can also understand how non-Catholics (or in Nancy Pelosi’s case, poorly-catechized and obstinately disobedient Catholics) might reason that it is better to prevent conception of children than abort them.

    My basic point is that there IS a distinction between what Pelosi actually said (“one of the initiatives you mentioned, the contraception, will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government”) and the phrase that has been attributed to her (“We cannot afford these people. They have to be aborted”) — and I don’t think we should be attributing to Pelosi something she didn’t actually say, however much we disagree.

  36. “…every poor person prevented is like money in the bank.”
    From the voices carry blog that Analyze found.

    Prevented to live.
    Prevented to support future “stimulus” going to fund future Planned Parenthoods. Hummmm.

  37. anzlyne: Pelosi gave this speech at the inauguration of Obama, or shortly thereafter. There was no Stephanopolous. It was the first speech she gave and I will find it and post it.

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