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Killing the Messenger

Killing the Messenger

 

Paul in his post, go here to read it, takes to task Catholic bloggers upset by this story by Hilary White:

 

ROME, May 23, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Pope Francis raised eyebrows earlier this month by concelebrating Mass with and kissing the hand of a leading homosexual activist priest campaigning for changes in the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. On May 6, Francis received the 93 year-old priest who has cofounded the homosexualist activist organization, Agedo Foggia, that is opposed to Catholic Church teaching.

Fr. (Don) Michele de Paolis concelebrated Mass with Pope Francis at the Domus Santa Martha and then presented the pontiff with gifts of a wooden chalice and paten and a copy of his most recent book, “Dear Don Michele – questions to an inconvenient priest”.

In a previous book, Don Michele wrote, “homosexual love is a gift from (God) no less than heterosexual.” He also disparaged the idea of homosexual couples not having sex.

                              

 

Francis closed the meeting by kissing the priest’s hand, a gesture that the far-left newspaper L’immediato called one “revealing the humility of a great man to another of the same stature.” De Paolis described the unusual papal gesture himself in a post to his Facebook page, saying that he asked Francis for an audience with the priest’s other organization, the Community of Emmaus: “Is that possible?”

He said that the pope replied, “Anything is possible. Talk to Cardinal Maradiaga and he shall prepare everything.”

Go here to read the rest.  Bloggers upset about this story, I have a challenge for you:  what mistake of fact did Hilary White make in this story?  If there are no factual errors, what does bug you about the story?  That it casts the Pope in a possibly bad light?  If that is the case, is it the fault of the author of the story or rather the fault of the Pope by doing this?  When Pope Francis doesn’t explain his actions, and I have noticed that he rarely explains either his words or his actions, whose fault is it when his actions may be viewed unfavorably?

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Jean Smith
Jean Smith
Thursday, May 29, AD 2014 6:10pm

I read this as a factual story. Hilary White is a solidly good writer.
I can’t understand why the knives came out.
Why didn’t anyone just call her before the typing began ?

slainte
slainte
Thursday, May 29, AD 2014 8:26pm

Mr. McClarey writes…”….When Pope Francis doesn’t explain his actions, and I have noticed that he rarely explains either his words or his actions, whose fault is it when his actions may be viewed unfavorably?
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Can’t resist playing with your words and their authorship….
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“When Jesus doesn’t explain his actions, and I have noticed that he rarely explains either his words or his actions, whose fault is it when his actions may be viewed unfavorably?”….Pontius Pilate
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When the message isn’t clear, don’t kill the messenger.

Paul W Primavera
Thursday, May 29, AD 2014 8:36pm

Slainte, Pope Francis is not Jesus and Donald is mot Pilate.

slainte
slainte
Thursday, May 29, AD 2014 9:29pm

Paul,
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Jesus, who was innocent, was wrongly accused and condemned. I suggest we reserve judgment and refrain from doing the same thing to Hilary White and Christ’s vicar, Pope Francis.
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Pilate is every one of us who condemns another without just cause and/or a clear factual basis for any alleged wrongdoing.

LWC
LWC
Thursday, May 29, AD 2014 10:22pm

lifesitenews has what’s coming to it. It is a narrow-minded, bigoted, and propaganda-centered outlet that leaves little, if any, room for dissent or diverse opinion. Those who attempt to engage in thoughtful dialogue are consistently blocked. It’s better suited as an ossified echo-chamber for bigots.

Philip
Philip
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 4:13am

So in co-founding Agedo Foggia pastor DePaolis knowingly taught / prescribed principles contrary to Catholic teachings? Then the daggers fly from the left when reported by the right.

Yawn….! No disrespect Mr. McClarey.
This ongoing battle, the War for souls, inches along everyday, every minute.
I for one appreciate the reporting from LSN. I do not find it surprising that some dislike it. Some bigots in History were murdered for their Faith in God.
We call them Martyrs. ( for lwc )

In this battle for souls it’s comforting to know that TAC exists and is a refreshment to the parched soldier defending the line. For all defenders of Truth, thank you Mr. McClarey and with Holy Rosaries and frequent Mass we will march on. Prayers for Pope Francis.

T. Shaw
T. Shaw
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 6:36am

The liberal, elites can get out the knives for this.

Compare Pope John Paul II’s act with Pope Francis.

“Aiding the Nicaraguan Communists were a group of Marxist priests, some of whom held positions in the Marxist government. Their plan was to replace the Catholic Church loyal to Jesus Christ with a “People’s Church” that would be controlled by the Communist party–who in Nicaragua went by the name, the Sandinistas.

“When John Paul II went to Nicaragua (in the past century), he lowered the boom. His plane touched down in Managua airport, the pope came off, and there in the reception line was one of the Marxist (Oragnize and arm the least of Christ’s brothers and take it all) priests–still holding on to his government position. This was in direct defiance of John Paul II’s orders that no priest was to hold government power. With television cameras blazing, John Paul II ignored diplomatic protocol, put his finger in the priest’s face and told him: you must regularize your position with the Church–now!”

Like almost everything in life: Note the man’s acts, not his talk.

Innocents suffer when the guilty are not forced to stop.

Stephen E Dalton
Stephen E Dalton
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 7:02am

It’s sad that some people reading the LSN story, prejudge the story, instead of reading what’s actually in it. Also where’s Catholic commonsense in the harping of the critics of this report? A priest, who’s a queer activist, is given a photo op with the Pope. Hillary White merely reported the facts of who this man was, and what his mission in life was. Why are so many Catholics upset with this? Are they such Francis groupies that they can’t stand the thought that he can do deliberate wrong? That’s what it looks like to me.

DJ Hesselius
DJ Hesselius
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 8:12am

I cannot help but wonder if the people who are ripping into Hillary White are, in fact, people of very weak (or poorly founded?) faith–people who desperately need a good and holy and most of all orthodox Pope to keep them going to Church, putting money in the collection plate, raising their children in the faith, not using contraception, not handing the spouse divorce papers. . . I don’t know, but I wonder.
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Imagine your teenage daughter (who has a popular gay boss at her work site, one who appears to have a stable “marriage” and with young children at that) coming to you and asking why again is homosexual “marriage” a bad thing? After all, she just read on Facebook that the Pope con-celebrated a Mass with a priest who endorses gay marriage, etc.
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What would you say? Isn’t the Holy Spirit supposed to get the gates of Hell from conquering the Church? And it certainly seems like the gates of Hell are winning these days, doesn’t it? What with the clown Masses and puppet Masses, Sister Laurel getting chased away, Catholic colleges hiring atheist chancellors, etc. And now the Pope saying some interesting things (maybe) about divorced and “remarried” people being admitted to Communion, this particular con-celebrated Mass, etc.
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So, yes, I guess I can see where attacking the messenger makes sense.

slainte
slainte
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 10:57am

Mr. McClarey,
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Simcha Fisher’s response to Hilary White was uncharitable, and her use of profanity as against Life Site News regrettable. Her motivation, I think, may be rooted in the fact that she, like fellow columnist Elizabeth Scalia at Patheos, has a brother who suffers from same sex attraction. Ms. Fisher’s brother states that he is celibate; Ms. Scalia’s brother died of HIV in 2005.
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I think this family connection may elicit more forceful and unpredictable reactions from both writers on issues related to same sex attraction. Hence, Ms. Fisher’s hyperbolic response to Ms. White’s article… which article appears straightforward in its recitation of facts.
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There is always more below the surface than we know regarding why writers take certain positions. Thus, prudence suggests discretion in issuing condemnations.

Steve Phoenix
Steve Phoenix
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 11:29am

Since PF is setting this response (kissing the hands of someone) as his new standard protocol to reach out to others (having kissed the hands of Fr. de Paolis, and also recently the hands of holocaust survivors at the Yad Vashem memorial, or the feet of various and sundry persons at the Holy Thursday liturgies of the last two years), I look forward to his eagerly kissing the hands of other “dissidents” and “members of other faiths”, such as the founders of the Franciscans of Mary Immaculate, Frs. Stefano Maria Manelli and Gabriele Maria Pelletieri; Bp. Bernard Fellay of the SSPX; perhaps Bp. Mark Pivarunas of the CMRI’s, and so on. I am sure it is right around the corner.

Peter Williams
Peter Williams
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 11:57am

As far as I can discern (and someone please correct me if I’m wrong), the substantive objections (e.g. not Ad Hominem or Genetic Fallacy arguments) to the LSN article are (1) the author did not use a reliable source and/or did not sufficiently verify the story, (2) the author (or headline writer) chose to sensationalize the incident in a way that cast Pope Francis in a bad light, and (3) the author did not offer more context, background or explanation about what and why Pope Francis did what he did.

It would seem to me that these objections would not provoke such a response, but I read the original article with little reaction or shock, so I’m definitely not tuned into to detect what’s being detected here.

I think that (1) isn’t too much of a concern since the first-hand account included photographs and no one has disputed the reported facts, (2) sounds reasonable, but I’m not sure how else the story could have been written in a way that doesn’t draw attention to primarily what this priest is known for, and (3) seems to be outside the scope of a news report of this nature, and would more get into editorializing.

Those are my thoughts anyhow, but I’d love to see more of a discussion on the problems of the article, and less on the presumed agenda or the mindset of the author and the website publisher.

Kmbold
Kmbold
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 12:51pm

I heard a story about St. Francis of Assisi kissing the hands of a bad priest, one who flouted his lack of chastity, because they were the hands who performed the miracle of changing bread and wine into Christ’s body and blood. Is this a Franciscan act?

Kmbold
Kmbold
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 12:52pm

oops, “…the hands WHICH…

Stephen Spencer
Stephen Spencer
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 2:18pm

Kmbold, the difference was that St. Francis was a layman–not the Pope.

It is the Pope’s obligation before God–for the good of souls–to silence a priest such as this from teaching serious error in the name of the Church.

Steve Phoenix
Steve Phoenix
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 3:41pm

Kmbold: I applaud you for trying to find some commendable aspect of this latest Bergoglioist malaprop: but I think he simply does things on impulse, the source of which none of us can find a rational explanation.

Anzlyne
Anzlyne
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 3:41pm

Issuing condemnations about H. White’s article is typical of the battle style now. She wrote a factual article but she didn’t stand a chance.
It is not only verboten to print anything that portrays homosexual behavior on a bad light but worse you Must portray them in a Positive light.
“… the Italian government’s National Antidiscrimination and Racism Office (Ufficio Nazionale Antidiscriminazioni Razziali) that has issued documents threatening journalists with prison if they fail to portray homosexuality in a positive light.”

Art Deco
Art Deco
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 4:32pm

Her motivation, I think, may be rooted in the fact that she, like fellow columnist Elizabeth Scalia at Patheos, has a brother who suffers from same sex attraction. Ms. Fisher’s brother states that he is celibate; Ms. Scalia’s brother died of HIV in 2005.

I have a second degree relation and a first degree relation who died approximately the same way that Robert Benchley and Jack Kerouac did. I really would not be motivated to pour vitriol on someone (even a cleric) for saying that ‘Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life”.

Maureen
Maureen
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 6:35pm

Stephen Spencer on Friday, May 30, A.D. 2014 at 2:18pm ~ Hit the nail on the
head stating that ” It is the Pope’s obligation before God–for the good of souls–to silence a priest such as this from teaching serious error in the name of the Church.”

Sydney Fernandes
Sydney Fernandes
Friday, May 30, AD 2014 7:36pm

On point is the fact of the two photos with White’s article. Many of us would not know who the priest is; he is old, and Pope Francis looks very compassionate. BUT: there would have been a no-news event to report if the identity of the priest were not mentioned. Which means, once again our Holy Father (or is this an anachronistic appellation now?) has, I believe, given cause for possible scandal; if this is not willful, then it is indicative of grossly distracted judgment. If some think too many stones are being thrown at someone who is being just like Christ, then one must pray fervently that the Pope has some sort of epiphany at what he is evoking,

slainte
slainte
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 11:35am

Aer Deco writes: “…I have a second degree relation and a first degree relation who died approximately the same way that Robert Benchley and Jack Kerouac did. I really would not be motivated to pour vitriol on someone (even a cleric) for saying that ‘Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life…”
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If Ms. Fisher’s intention was to protect the integrity of Pope Francis, or to affirm the dignity of her celibate brother (while not affirming SSA acts), then she shouldn’t be condemned for an intemperate response to a Life Site News (“LSN”) article. Nor should Hilary White or LSN be condemned if their collective intent was merely to present facts truthfully.
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The motivation and intention of the respective messengers matter when one discerns which, if any. of them should be killed.

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 11:42am

With the overt hostility toward Gays, fitting of the most backwards stretches of rural America, how is it surprising the backlash that has arisen against this ‘messenger’ or any other for that matter? Gays are no less citizens than any other citizen and many are indeed no less Christian than the most pious of Christians. Additionally, as our American society progresses, and the scope of liberties advances, it is abundantly clear that discrimination against Gays is no less onerous (and illegal) than discrimination against creed, color, or origin.

slainte
slainte
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 12:06pm

LWC,
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The Catholic Church is a refuge for those who experience same sex attraction. It brings Christ’s love to the afflicted and calls all Catholics to extend care and compassion to one’s neighbors, especially those bearing heavy crosses who need Christ’s mercy.
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Consider the words of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 12:30pm

Within the United States, just as the government is emphatically proscribed from the establishment of religion, it is likewise in prohibiting the free exercise thereof. If one’s faith endorses, even celebrates, same-sex marriage who is one to criminalize or ignore that legally binding agreement between them.

The Church (or any other church) is freely dispensed from having to perform said nuptials. Our Catholic faith (or any faith) is in no position to impose religious dogma into civil law. Further, Thomas Jefferson plainly stated to a group of pastors in his day, “…[B]ut laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”

I think that says it all.

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 12:38pm

And while I could have chosen better phrasing in highlighting a known stereotype (ad hominem, as it is), it speaks to a broader point that more heavily populated, urban, and cosmopolitan area generally convey broader ‘tolerance’ of homosexuals. And having had more than a few conversations among people living within such rural areas, I can report my characterization is not too far afield. As to recognition, Gays still largely remain denied equal protection under the law insofar as marriage and other custodial concerns.

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 1:09pm

Here is what Sacred Scripture says about those who practice homosexuality in 1st Corinthians 6:9-10:
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9 Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, 10 Nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.
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Now the Greek word translated as “effeminate” is “μαλακός” which really means “of a catamite” or “of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness,” which is exactly what the receiver of homosexual relations is doing.
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And the Greek word translated as “liers with mankind” is “ἀρσενοκοίτης” which really means “one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual.”
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Those people who practice such actions are classed right along with fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves, covetous, drunkards, railers, and extortioners. The Bible says that none of these people will possess the Kingdom of God. Since there is only one other place to go, that means that if such people do not repent, then they go to hell.
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But verse 11 in 1st Corinthians chapter 6 goes on to say:
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11 And such some of you were; but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God.
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Note the past tense: “And such some of you WERE.” That means that some of the people at the Church in Corinth WERE fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, and drunkards but are no longer those kinds of people. Why? Verse 11 tells us: “…but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Spirit of our God.”
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Now I specifically called out the word “drunkard” in St Paul’s litany because such WAS I at one time. I was NO better than a fornicator, an adulterer, a homosexual or whoever (and yes, I did my fair share of more than one sin as I am sure we all have). But at some point I have to STOP being a drunkard if I am to possess the Kingdom of God. The same is true of him who practices homosexual actions. He has to STOP it. And that happens by being washed, sanctified and justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord gave the Church a process for this. It is called the Sacrament of Reconciliation and Penance. That is why after I did my 5th Step with my 12 Step mentor, he being a good Catholic had me go to Confession with a Franciscan priest (who unknown to me at the time was his sponsor).
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Thank God no one felt sorry for me in my drunkenness. They would have sealed my death sentence and greased the skids straight to hell. Homosexuality, adultery, fornication, and the whole litany are ultimately NO different (especially in today’s sex-addicted society). That is why St Paul describes so eloquently in Romans chapter 7 the slavery to sin to which we were all subject.
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Equal rights for every human being: we all have the right to confess and repent to inherit the Kingdom of God. No special rights for sex-addicted adulterers, fornicators or homosexuals, just as there are no special rights for drug or alcohol addict persons, and no special rights for thieves, railers and extortioners. It is hate of the worst kind – a hate that sends to people to hell – to say, do or maintain otherwise.

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 1:20pm

Paul, you conveniently omitted: “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

Nice try, though.

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 1:21pm

LCW, re-read my whole statement. I DID include verse 11 of 1st Corinthians chapter 6.

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 1:23pm

Paul, then my mistake. My phone must have truncated your message. My apologies.

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 1:26pm

Understood, LWC – smart phones are not all that smart. 🙁

I made a point that some people at the Church in Corinth had once been drunks, adulterers, homosexuals, fornicators, but they stopped being those kinds of people.

slainte
slainte
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 1:28pm

LWC,
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Are you Catholic?
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If so, why do you bend your knee before a political ideology (liberalism) rather than Christ and His Church?

Anzlyne
Anzlyne
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 2:15pm

“…fitting of the most backwards stretches of rural America,..”
I resemble that remark!

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 2:45pm

Slaint, precisely because I am an American who renders unto Caesar what is Caesar’s…and this instance it is the proscription against the establishment of religion and the equal protection under law.

And yes, I am Catholic….and American.

Slainte
Slainte
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 3:34pm

LCW, This American Catholic suggests that you are making an idol of a political ideology to justify personal acts which may not be in accord with God’s law.
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God preceded the state; a fact recognized by the founders of the U.S and memorialized in the Declaration of Independence by reference to He who is the source of our inalienable rights.
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The founders would likely conclude that any positive law or Constitutional interpretation which contradicts or subverts Nature”s God is no law at all.
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We Catholics owe our allegiance to God first. If we love Him, we will follow His commandments.

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 3:44pm

LWC,

The United States was NOT founded as a Secular National Democracy but as a Constitutional Republic based on Judeo-Christian principles. The overwhelming majority of this nation’s Founding Fathers stood upon those principles, even people like Deist Thomas Jefferson to whom is attributed much of this dogma of separation of Church and State. The intent was that never would the State dictate what the Church was to do, and ever was the Church to have freedom in the public square. The idea that Judeo-Christian morality was NOT the under-pinning of the nation’s law would have been foreign (and anathema) to these men. Quote after quote after quote from George Washington, John Adams, Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, etc., can be cited demonstrating this. But the revisionist history of the adherents of the godless liberal progressive Democratic Party – the very one that booed God at the last DNC here in Charlotte, NC – denies all that is holy which would sustain this country. Regardless of all the pronouncements of liberal progressive Democrats promoting the separation of Church and State, God’s Word overrides everything and His Word says: “And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land.” 2nd Chronicles 7:14. Mark these words: unless the United States of America repents before the King of kings and Lord of lords for sodomy, abortion, fornication, adultery, thievery, and all its other sins, hell will rain down on us for we will have made it so rain. As Hosea 8:7 states, “For they shall sow wind, and reap a whirlwind, there is no standing stalk in it, the bud shall yield no meal; and if it should yield, strangers shall eat it.” Lord, what hypocrisy! When it comes to social justice nonsense, these liberal progressive Democrats are the first to quote Scripture and demand we seek Government to do what we should be doing ourselves, but when it comes to holiness they demand separation of Church and State. Godless liberal progressive Democrats!

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 3:54pm

“…but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”

–Thomas Jefferson

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 3:56pm

“…Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.”

–Thomas Jefferson

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 4:11pm

Oh how liberals know how to cherry pick what they wish to believe. Two can play this game.
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Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.
The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.
I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus.
Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?
Thomas Jefferson
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It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.
Patrick Henry
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The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
John Adams
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The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion…reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
George Washington
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There are many, many more. The idea that pagans, atheists, Muslims, etc., could be elected to high office would have astounded these men. Thus does Samuel Johnston write:
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It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.
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I loathe, abhor, detest, despise, and hold in utter contempt and disgust the liberal progressive Democratic Party and its godless secular antagonism against the Christian religion. But in the end Jesus Christ wins, NOT the secularists, NOT the atheists, NOT the Muslims. Every knee will bend, every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Those who cried separation of Church and State may well find themselves eternally separated from God’s Kingdom for that is really what they want. They worshipped and adored Caesar, a mere creature, rather than the Creator who is to be worshipped and adored forever and ever, Amen!
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Mors Atheismo Democratiaeque. Omnis gloria honosque Iesui Christo!

Slainte
Slainte
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 4:51pm

LWC, Thomas Jefferson supported the institution of slavery and owned slaves. He also impregnated at least one female slave whose ability to consent to the sexual act was negated by her status as slave in response to his demand as master.
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Do you support the enslavement of other persons and the engagement in sex with persons who cannot consent as Jefferson did?
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Christ informs the slave he is made in Imago Dei and is so beloved that he is worth dying for on the cross. Jefferson, a devotee of Enlightened Liberalism, kept the slave in shackles.
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Whose laws make you most free and demonstrate selfless love…God’s or Man’s?

@FMShyanguya
@FMShyanguya
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 5:10pm

Paul W Primavera on Saturday, May 31, A.D. 2014 at 3:44pm: “The United States was NOT founded as a Secular National Democracy but as a Constitutional Republic based on Judeo-Christian principles.”
If that were true, the fruits would be showing.

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 5:10pm

Slainte, devotees of godless Liberalism still keep blacks in shackles, this time to the teat of the public treasury under the specious pretext of social justice of all things. Nothing has changed. They are as wicked as they have always been.

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 5:34pm

@FMS,

Sadly liberalism like a cancer infects everything it touches. People like Ronald Reagan are the fruits. People like Barack Hussein Obama are the cancer.

LWC
LWC
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 7:36pm

How does Liberalism enslave Blacks anymore than Conservatism when such policies imprison Blacks more often, impose sentences that are disproportionately longer and of greater likelihood in the imposition of the death penalty?

Paul W Primavera
Saturday, May 31, AD 2014 7:48pm

Horse manure, LWC. You liberals create the social condition of black dependency that disproportionately results in more black criminality which results in more black imprisonment. And you are lily white rich liberal elitists who think you know better than anyone else. You are no different than the Democrat slave owners of one and a half centuries ago.

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