Well this is no surprise. Pat Archbold was repeatedly guilty of telling truth out of season which is apparently a mortal sin these days in the Catholic Church:
In the current pontificate of love and mercy, if you are an orthodox Catholic who seeks to defend the traditional faith, do not be surprised when you get it in the neck. If all you care about is your career, in these Franciscan days this is the song you had better be singing:
What a disgrace.
Surprised at all. Pat’s recent posts have made me very sad. He seems to openly mock Pope Francis as well as the second Vatican Council. If I were the Register, I wouldn’t want someone on my staff who chose openly mock and insult the current pope.
If I were the Register, I wouldn’t want someone on my staff who chose openly mock and insult the current pope.
Well, deadpan reportage of some of Francis’ daily blurt might be mockery enough.
Regrets the Register has had such troubles, and that the Vicar of Bray wing of the Church now owns it.
See, I choose not to openly insult and mock the Vicar of Christ, even if I disagree with some of his actions. I’m sorry that you seem to think it’s acceptable behavior for someone who claims to be an orthodox Catholic.
“Pat’s recent posts have made me very sad.”
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Oh, please. Spare us the passive aggressive nonsense. You’re just as likely to read sentiments quite similar to Pat’s from any number of people posting here. Yet, here you are, risking more “sadness”.
“Pat’s recent posts have made me very sad.”
What makes me sad is that too many Catholics don’t remember this timeless admonition:
“Peter has no need of our lies or flattery. Those who blindly and indiscriminately defend every decision of the Supreme Pontiff are the very ones who do most to undermine the authority of the Holy See—they destroy instead of strengthening its foundations” – Fr. Melchior Cano O.P., Bishop and Theologian of the Council of Trent.
Okay, JoAnna. This is the bit where you cite actual examples of Mr Archbold’s open mockery and insults directed toward the Holy Father. I haven’t seen anything of the sort from him, but maybe I missed something?
JoAnna
“He seems to openly mock Pope Francis as well as the second Vatican Council.”
Not true. Are you suggesting the Register published pieces openly mocking the Pope and the Council? Are you just lying?
Typical calumny from the likes of JoAnna. To her lot “mockery” is expressing any type of discomfort with the current Pontiff.
And now we have two fishwraps with an NCR acronym.
Bingo, Pat Archbold. Consider it a badge of honor to have been let go. By the way, in all the articles of yours that I’ve read over the years, not once did I ever feel that you were “mocking” the Pope or disparaging VII. Always respectful. But thank God you pull no punches, either. Keep on doing what you do so well, at Creative Minority Report.
“Are you just lying?”
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Either that, or just plain ignorance as to what constitutes “open mockery and insults”. But it certainly seems that calumny is the order of the day where your reputation is concerned, Pat.
The tongue reflects what is transpiring in the heart.
The utterances of Pope Francis betray a heart, at best, in conflict with its own perceptions and the Magisterium of the Church. A heart in conflict with its touted devotion to “mercy,” and a vindictive and retaliatory nature finally getting a chance for vengeance. A heart fossilized by adolescent resentments birthed in the novitiate, in conflict with the mystery of the Church. He really is the poster boy for his clique. And here it is right now, they go after another guy. Rosica, Dolan, now EWTN. Can you imagine what they are pulling off behind the scenes? Deeply saddening to see this man trashed.
And here I was giving them credit for not being totally off course when he was able to blog a response to the counter-Catholic-teachings Death Penalty group hug.
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So, in summary, Pat is too toxic for NCR, and yet they continue to publish Fisher and Shea.
Intelligent Catholic discussion could be forced underground, huh. Wouldn’t that be too bad! The NCR is inviting disaster on themselves and on their Church.
In the countries where the State has taken over churches– like a patriotic church in China or the Russian situation– Church media and Church leaders did not go gladly – they were forced underground by the secular State. Here today we are not at that point yet, though we do have a seriously compromised culture. But the secular transformers of society are given space to grow in influence and power by Church leaders (whether in the episcopate or the media) who do not articulate our side. They are going down before they have to. If EWTN only knew how much we and esp our children and grandchildren need those earnest voices, like Archibold, defending the Faith.
Would NCR have a financial reason for firing him? The opinion of big backer?
PZ, you beat me to the extreme irony.
I wonder if either of them will give pause over this departure.
“So, in summary, Pat is too toxic for NCR, and yet they continue to publish Fisher and Shea.”
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Maybe Fisher will show up here at TAC to gloat over Patrick’s firing. There is precedent for that, after all.
“So, in summary, Pat is too toxic for NCR, and yet they continue to publish Fisher and Shea.”
Yes indeed. What was is someone once wrote, sin makes you stupid?
I admit to not following Pat Archbold’s writings at the Register closely. Mark Shea’s writings are toxic and I don’t go to websites that publish him. Prayers for him today.
EWTN has been accused of something close to Papal worship in the past with St. John Paul II. He appointed some real, in Pittsburghese parlance, “jagoffs” to be bishops, bit I never thought he had some agenda he wanted to shove down everyone’s throat.
With the current pontificate, I have no doubts of his agenda. Look at what he says, what he does, who is around him and who he appoints. Is it any wonder why the Latin American Church is losing members? Not to me.
“Who am I to judge?” In other words::Go to hell, I cannot be bothered teaching the truth.
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Pat Archbold’s capital punishment column was right on target. The Catholic Church in America is already an underground church. This is why our Bishops and priests do not speak out. That the Pope assists in sending our Bishops into the catacombs, is reprehensible.
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At least there is still Creative Minority Report.
PZ: “And now we have two fishwraps with an NCR acronym.”
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Terrible, isn’t it?
The real problem about the crisis in the RCC is that many faithful Catholics don’t yet realize how grave the crisis is. And it is going to get worse, even after Pope Francis. We need prayers.
How very sad. For years I would get the free copy of the NCR inside the church . Good solid conservative paper. Read it every week. Then over the years it was gone! Now we have CDs or little booklets written by the “peace and love” crowd. I dont read them . I read the Wanderer or The Remnant ….. Both excellent newspapers I get in the mail. What bothers me is that very few priests will buck this trend. We rarely get any good sermons anymore that really matter. Pablum about Job , usually a canned sermon from some company that writes them for homilies or some Old Testament story… Whoopeeee!!!
How interesting that Archbold was betrayed by those close to him this holiest of weeks. Welcome National Catholic Register to the ranks of the New Pharisees.
The NCR did Pat a favor. They threw him off the Titanic before it hit the iceburg. BTW, it was really crappy that they fired him before a major Christian holyday. To show they can be impartial, they should fire Shea and Fisher before Halloween.
So, my question is where will we be able to find Mr. Archbold from here on out? His writing is honest, thoughtful and refreshing. Sure, it sometimes makes us uncomfortable but in the service of truth that is to be expected.
Patty that sounds like a call to have Pat start cross posting his stuff on TAC here… 😉
He says he’ll still be blogging at CMR.
http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/a-big-thank-you.html
You might harass him a bit to mention what “elsewhere” he’s got in mind. 😀
Yeah, some examples of Pat’s seeming “mockery” would be nice.
Truly, making idols out of pontiffs and councils is rather silly. Some popes are poor leaders and some councils are failures. To argue otherwise is baffling to me.
This is the post that raised several red flags for me, in which Pat sounds like he’s denying the validity of Vatican II: http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/dont-blame-vatican-ii.html
And here he is implying that Pope Francis is telling orthodox Catholics to “shut up,” when the Holy Father is only encouraging people not to gossip (which, last time I checked, was indeed Church teaching): http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/shut-up-they-prayed.html
Patty,
Pat has also written a couple of articles for Steve Skojec’s excellent and wholly orthodox OnePeterFive site, so we may see more of him over there.
IMO, Pat’s problem wasn’t so much what he wrote, but how he wrote it. An unhealthy spite grew into his sphere. Sad indeed.
And this one, which I think he (or the Register’s editors) may have edited after it was originally republished, because it doesn’t read like I remember — in the first version I read on the day it was published, he didn’t say that Scalfari was “putting words into the Pope’s mouth.” Rather, Pat seemed to be saying that the Pope had said the things that Scalfari claimed and no one cared. http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/pope-heresy-marxist-yawn
PZ, are you claiming that the Register is on par with the Reporter? Can you please demonstrate where the Register has openly condoned heresy, as the Reporter has?
Personally I do think Mark Shea should be fired as well, given that his public and flagrant vitriol of late is unbecoming to an orthodox Catholic. But I’m not the editor of the Register so it is their call to make.
So you claim he openly mocks the Pope… and all you can offer to substantiate it is what you read into what he’s published?
JoAnna really? He “sounds like,” and is “implying,” or this one must have been edited because it “doesn’t read like I remember.”
Is that all you have? Because if it is you have nothing and your original offering was indeed a calumny.
It just sounds to me that you are the type who definitely doesn’t like to read or hear anything that nudges you towards the edges of your comfort zone. But that type of writing, properly done and based in truth, is exactly what is needed, especially now. Mr. Archbold’s writing was worth reading for that very reason.
The Popolatry and the council worship really needs to stop. But it is stoked because these are very useful errors for modernists, with the right pope of course.
Congrats JoAnna. You have managed to prove one thing through the links you provided: you do not know what the word “mockery” means.
This is the post that raised several red flags for me, in which Pat sounds like he’s denying the validity of Vatican II…
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What on earth are you talking about? Nothing Pat writes in that short post could possibly be construed as “denying the validity of Vatican II”.
I do believe that Pat is a respectful and devout person. I would hope and pray that his writing is not censored. We all must pray for humility and the love for The Truth
As Catholics, who love our Lord and His Church, we should be mindful how we react to people like Shea and his like. It’s easy to develop that hardness of heart. Having said that I believe that most Traditional Catholics are more heartbroken than angry and Our Lord knows this.
It’s easy to feel very alone when defending Church Teaching to others, especially in one’s own family, but we are not alone. Our Lord is our defender and we must follow Him.
Viva Cristo Rey!
Sadly, lines are being drawn for the likely upcoming schism. Pat’s just been directed to his side of the playing field, perhaps for his “dissent” from the new death penalty “orthodoxy.”
Are all of you relatively new Catholics? This process has been going on since the 60’s. There are traditionalists and conservatives. Pat is a traditionalist writing for a conservative paper so this was bound to happen. I’ve seen it dozens of times over the years. In fact the current kerfuffle is rather tame compared to the days of JPII’s ecumenism, inter-religious dialouge, and especially when he kissed the Koran.
Are all of you relatively new Catholics? This process has been going on since the 60’s.
If your definition of “new Catholic” is “everyone younger than my kids’ grandparents” you may have an issue.
I don’t consider this:
http://jimmyakin.com/2006/04/jp2_and_the_qur.html
to be more of an outrage than a Catholic being fired from a Catholic paper for, apperently holding to Catholic teachings over prudential ones.
Joanna is a known Mark Shea groupie…
In fact the current kerfuffle is rather tame compared to the days of JPII’s ecumenism, inter-religious dialogue, and especially when he kissed the Koran.
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Since comments have touched upon the 2nd commandment [by which we are commanded to speak with reverence of God and all holy persons and things … ] the JPII should properly be addressed as Pope St. John Paul II [the Great]. Since a saint, who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies; who is to condemn? [cf. Rom 8:33-34]
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We are in Holy Week and my thinking is that those with this kind of thinking without knowing why the Pope did what they think he did, would have an issue with these words of the LORD to the good thief: “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise. [cf. Lk 23:43]
Personally I do think Mark Shea should be fired as well, given that his public and flagrant vitriol of late
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“Of late” in Joanna’s lexicon would be “in the last 10 years” in most people’s. Idiosyncratic usage makes for confused communications.
JoAnna
You are a liar and a slanderer. Gluck with that.
“Joanna: Can you please demonstrate where the Register has openly condoned heresy, as the Reporter has?”
Yes, their call for the abolishment of the death penalty (with which they aligned with the Reporter). This contradicts almost 2000 years of Church teaching which allows the state to enact the death penalty as a matter of retributive Justice.
What will be interesting to see if the pope does the same on Good Friday, as reports say he plans to.