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Now that Ireland has voted to approve gay marriage, a few thoughts:

1.   Catholic Ireland is now Anti-Catholic Ireland-The Irish have always found scapegoats useful as an explanation for Irish failings.  Britain long played this role and the Church is now filling this role.  This vote, for many of the voters, was a joyous opportunity to give a one finger salute to the faith of their ancestors.

2.   Spineless Shepherds-With one or two exceptions, the Irish episcopate was worse than useless.  Cowardice was their most notable attribute.  Expecting these timeservers to stand up for Catholicism in a hostile environment is like expecting a wolf to become a vegetarian.

3.   Pope-MIA-The Pope has endless time to waste on made up problems like global warming, and to make snide remarks about faithful Catholics, but he uttered not a word on this vote.  In the current feeble state of the Church in the face of her enemies, the fish does rot from the head down.

4.   No Representation-All the major parties in Ireland backed gay marriage, so the 38% of the Irish people who voted against it, a huge block of voters in a proportional parliamentary system like Ireland, effectively have no political voice.

5.   Iron Triangle-In Ireland government, academia and entertainment were all overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage.  The group think on this issue makes the old Iron Curtain countries seem diverse in comparison.

6.   American Money-Endless amounts of money from rich American gays fueled the yes vote campaign.  Why?  Because of the symbolic importance of having traditional Ireland embrace gay marriage and as a thumb in the eye to the Catholic Church.

7.    Hebephilia  -It only is bad when priests do it.  At least that is the case judging by the lionization of Irish Senator David Norris, the father of Irish gay marriage, who has long supported pederasty, and defended a former “partner” accused of statutory rape.  Of course he has called Pope John Paul II an instrument of evil and Pope Benedict a Nazi, so he gets a pass in today’s Ireland.

8.   The Enemy WithinFather Martin Dolan received a standing ovation from his Dublin parish when he came out as gay and called for a yes vote on gay marriage.   I give him an A for honesty and an F for fidelity to the teachings of the Church. Thus far precisely nothing has been done to this priest by his superiors.  The Lavender Mafia within the Church clergy is apparently alive and well.

9.   Around the World-Advocates of gay marriage are seizing upon this vote to push for it in other nations including Italy, which will place this issue on the doorstep of the Pope.

10. Only the Beginning-Gay activists will not stop with gay marriage, bank on it.  The next step will be to coerce Churches to celebrate gay marriages.  This battle will continue until the gay activists are defeated, or until religious freedom is a thing of the past.

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54 Comments

  1. Spot on, Don.

    One has to consider, since homosexuals are only about 1.6% of the population, but have such enormous support in all the social institutions you mentioned, and a strong 5th Column in the Church, whether the whole “gay rights” movement is not simply a vehicle being used by the Left to crush religion, particularly the Catholic Church.

    The sad and comic truth is that only a fraction of that 1.6% are remotely interested in “marriage.” The whole issue has been a sham in order to advance a much broader, more socially destructive agenda. This has only been the opening chapter.

    Poor Ireland. What a weasly betrayal of the brave men who achieved her independence and enshrined acknowledgement of the Holy Trinity and respect for the Church in her constitution.

  2. “This battle will continue until the gay activists are defeated, or until religious freedom is a thing of the past.”
    .
    This battle will continue until Rider on the White Horse defeats the Beast and its armies in Revelation 19:11-21. The devil knows his time grows short and we are seeing the coils of the great snake constrict as many as he can into lifelessness before the coming agony of his defeat.

  3. “What a weasly betrayal of the brave men who achieved her independence and enshrined acknowledgement of the Holy Trinity and respect for the Church in her constitution.”

    Bingo.

  4. Will the Pope now declare those Irish who voted for gay marriage to be de facto excommunicated, or will he say “Who am I to judge.”

  5. The Catholic Church grants annulments to a married couple, a man and a wife who do not consummate the marital act. An annulment means that there never was a marriage. This defines marriage as the consummation of the marital act. Sodomy does not constitute the consummation of the marital act. Ireland has lost its mind.
    The man and the woman consummate the marital act and consummate the marriage. The court, the voting public, the majority of voters do not a marriage make. Only the man and the woman who consummate the marital act make marriage. No decree by the courts, or legislation can make marriage. Only the man and the woman who consummate the marital act make marriage. I said that already.

  6. The Most Rev. Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop of Dublin expressed the Church’s teaching on the Referendum question very clearly, when he said, What is the current understanding of the male/female relationship in the Irish Constitution and would this be changed in the Referendum? There is no formal definition of marriage in the Constitution, but the consistent legal interpretation of the Constitution is that it refers to a marriage between a man and a woman and that this recognition is fundamental and goes beyond any particular understanding of marriage that may have existed at the time of the writing of the Constitution. There are legal scholars who maintain that there is no need for a referendum and that the legislature could change a definition of marriage. The government has clearly thought otherwise in stressing that what is proposed requires a referendum. For the Constitution, a referendum is not a public opinion survey, but is required only when the Constitution is being changed and what we are being asked to change is an article of the Constitution on marriage. It is a question of changing.
    Is the proposal simply to extend accessibility to marriage or is it a real change in the definition of marriage which has significance for all citizens? You cannot take one article of the Constitution in isolation. Marriage is not simply about a wedding ceremony or about two people being in love with each other. Marriage, in the Constitution, is linked with the family and with a concept of family and to the mutuality of man and women which is the fundamental foundation for the family as it exists in the constitution today. Such fundamental questions about the good of society are clearly the concern of all.”

  7. “As the vote looms that will decide whether Ireland as a country will redefine marriage, the archbishop of Dublin is saying that while he intends to vote against same-sex “marriage,” he’s not telling other Catholics how to vote.

    Archbishop Diarmuid Martin would not comment when asked about the stance of those Catholics who would vote in favor of homosexual “marriage” in Friday’s referendum, stating through a spokesperson it was not his policy “to tell others how to vote.”

    However the archbishop stressed “that people should be informed.””

    As the vote looms that will decide whether Ireland as a country will redefine marriage, the archbishop of Dublin is saying that while he intends to vote against same-sex “marriage,” he’s not telling other Catholics how to vote.

    Archbishop Diarmuid Martin would not comment when asked about the stance of those Catholics who would vote in favor of homosexual “marriage” in Friday’s referendum, stating through a spokesperson it was not his policy “to tell others how to vote.”

    However the archbishop stressed “that people should be informed.”

    “Archbishop Martin has publicly stated how he intends to vote and why,” his spokeswoman told the Irish Times. “It is not his policy, however, to tell others how to vote except to stress that, given the importance of marriage and the family, decisions should not be taken lightly and that people should be informed of what is involved.”

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dublin-archbishop-i-wont-tell-catholics-how-to-vote-on-gay-marriage

    Worthless.

  8. Mary de Voe wrote “This defines marriage as the consummation of the marital act.”

    No, for Ulpian says in the Digest, “Nuptias non concubitus, sed consensus facit” [It is not sleeping together, but agreement that makes marriage. (Dig. 50.17.30 Ulpianus 36 ad sab) He also says a “bare consent” is sufficient to constitute marriage (“Sufficit nudus consensus ad constituenda sponsalia.” Dig. 23.1.4. pr.Ulpianus 35 ad sab.) As the great English legal historian, F W Maitland put it, “We must distinguish between the perfection of a legal act and the fulfilment of obligations which that act creates.”

    In his famous letter written to the Bulgarian prince Boris I in 866, Pope Nicholas I takes the same view, “according to the laws (leges), the consent of those whose union is arranged should be sufficient. If that alone is absent, all the other solemnities, even including coition, are in vain, as the great teacher John Chrysostom attests, who says: Not intercourse but will makes marriage” (Homilies on Matthew 32) [PL 119, no. 97, pp. 978–1016 at 980 ] Similarly, Pope Alexander III in answering a case propounded to him by the Archbishop of Salerno, declared that if consent de praesenti [“de præsenti” is, of course, an ellipsis for “de præsenti tempore” – “words in the present tense”] was expressed by such words as these “I accept you as mine.,” “and I accept you as mine”, whether an oath was interponed or not it was unlawful for the woman to marry another and if she should contract a second engagement by promise even although followed by sexual intercourse she should be separated from the second and should return to the first husband. [Corpus Juris Canonici Decretales Gregory IX lib iv tit iv cap iii]

    Non-Consummation may be treated as evidence of incapacity, leading to an annulment or the marriage may be dissolved, for example by taking solemn vows. Thus the Council of Trent, “If any one says, that matrimony contracted, but not consummated, is not dissolved by the solemn profession of religion by one of the married parties; let him be anathema” (Sess XXIV c 6)

  9. Ireland voted to legalize gay marriage. Any complaint coming into the court about church or priest, must first reject the sitting judge in the case, who has the legal authority to perform the travesty. The lawsuit that overlooks the judge’s legal authority to perform the “same-sex marriage” is nothing more that a demand to own another person, the priest and the Catholic Church. To coerce business proprietors to perform and celebrate same-sex wedding facilitation is another maneuver to own another person as a slave. If there is one business that serves the same-sex weddings, there can be no lawsuit. as the same-sex couple can go there, and their complaint is invalid if they refuse to patronize the business that may serve them. They are not being denied by state regulated businesses. In the Melissa Sweet Cakes, the court destroyed their livelihood, while the same-sex couple went and were served by same-sex bakers else where. The same-sex couple were not denied by state regulated businesses. Spiritual murder is a very serious offense.

  10. Michael Paterson-Seymour: “In his famous letter written to the Bulgarian prince Boris I in 866, Pope Nicholas I takes the same view, “according to the laws (leges), the consent of those whose union is arranged should be sufficient. If that alone is absent, all the other solemnities, even including coition, are in vain, as the great teacher John Chrysostom attests, who says: Not intercourse but will makes marriage””

    Both Pope Nicholas and John Chrysostom were writing about the valid consent of man and woman to proceed into coition. The fact remains that two men cannot consummate coition, nor the marital act, nor the consummation of the marital act no more that I can consent or will to stop the world from its orbit.
    Both Pope Nicholas and John Chrysostom validated the definition of marriage as consent between a man and a woman. Consent between two persons of the same sex is lacking the object, the marriage, to which they are consenting.

  11. I’m not surprised when one takes into account Bergoglio’s
    favorable statements concerning sodomites. Clergymen, who
    oppose the anti-Christian gay agenda, could place themselves
    at the displeasure of the merciful Bergoglio.

  12. Consenting adults is the fulcrum and the lever that has moved sodomy and same-sex-marriage into the culture as victimless free will choices. After Vatican II I was told in the confessional that anything a husband and wife do in bed is legally and morally acceptable. NO. Sodomy by any individual is assault and battery of the other person, abuse of the colon. Informed sexual consent by the individual or by two or three consenting adults excludes sodomy, masturbation, assault and battery, assisted suicide, sado-masochism and snuff films, where the heroine actually is killed.
    Informed sexual consent does not exhonorate a person from making a criminal choice and from the evil consequences. Two persons plotting to commit homicide are not exempt from their crime by consent. Neither are persons exempt from their sins and crimes by consenting to commit these crimes. Persons who consent to commit sins and crimes or give assent to the crimes other persons are committing, make them guilty of supporting evil and the devil.
    Homosexuality has always been defined as “arrested sexual development”. All people pass through some same sex attraction at puberty. Some people do not physically mature into heterosexuality. Two or ten homosexuals cannot give informed sexual consent since they do not have informed sexual consent. Two or ten homosexuals can only give “arrested sexual development consent”. Their infirmity excludes same sex marriage because of their “arrested sexual development consent’. If anyone had and has informed sexual consent they would not be militating for same sex marriage. Their situation exhibits their problem. There is no informed sexual consent from two individuals for same sex marriage. Two consenting adults cannot give consent to any sin or crime. Masturbation times two is still self-abuse. The culture and the Courts have lost all credibility on consent, with 50 shades of Grey, consenting to assault and battery, legalizing pornography, and the inability of the Court to differentiate between truth and perjury. A male wife is perjury in a court of law.
    Under the logic of consent, no crime is prosecutable.

  13. Ireland’s fate is sealed.

    “If God doesn’t punish America, He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.” – Ruth, Billy Graham’s wife.

    Substitute America with Ireland.
    *
    God bless and remember constituency Roscommon-South Leitrim and its people.

  14. Michael Paterson-Seymour: “ There is no formal definition of marriage in the Constitution, but the consistent legal interpretation of the Constitution is that it refers to a marriage between a man and a woman and that this recognition is fundamental and goes beyond any particular understanding of marriage that may have existed at the time of the writing of the Constitution.”
    .
    The U.S. Constitution may be interpreted for the single individual, or for corporate persons as single individuals. A married couple, a husband and wife are judged as a single person. Two persons of the same sex come before the court and demand to be judged as a single individual. The married couple became one through their consent to marriage. The same sex couple remain two different people, because they cannot consent to marriage through the conjugal act or the marital act. The principles and the persons involved keep switching. When the court deals with principles, that, the same sex couple cannot perform the conjugal act, the same sex couple submit themselves as persons. When the court tries to judge persons, the same sex couple switches to principles. A person of principle does not contradict himself.
    The same sex couple are asking the Court to do for them what they cannot do for themselves and what heterosexual couples do do for themselves. Become one. The same sex couple who cannot become one are requesting that the court treat them as one.

  15. Ireland is not a “Catholic” country, but has been going more and more “New Age”. People have lost their way while looking for their way. The new age and modern gnosticism is a great enabler of these social changes back to paganism.
    New Age began creeping across the Isles during Britain’s involvement with India and importing romance and mystery and other interesting things into their already wounded culture. People are attracted to mysticism and sacrament which the Catholic Church has been playing down for 50 years now…
    The True Faith is not presented well. comes across as exciting as your old mother– joining Isis or seeking adventure or seeking mystical experience is appealing to people in the gray gray West.

  16. if Ireland was Catholic,they wouldn’t have voted the way they did.

    Yoga, centering prayer, living the “ascended life” all lead people away from the authoritative teaching of the Church. We are not so different from Ireland here.

  17. In Ireland (as here in the American midwest) people who call themselves Catholic don’t believe this is a vale of tears– but that we can live the ascended life here and now, no worries about hell or purgatory– may not even exist… may be some kind of a construct of the Church for the sake of earthly power.
    The bad old patriarchal Church of the past is now more in touch with it’s feminine side, is more aware of Mother Earth than God the Father.
    Out of curiosity I looked for any article about the Diocese of Tuam where Knock is- and was pleased by the local priest’s strong “no” on the vote, and defense of family and marriage.
    .

    http://www.tuamarchdiocese.org/2015/05/homily-of-archbishop-neary-on-marriage/

  18. For me, one of the most striking results of the Irish Referendum is that the total turnout was a mere 60.5%; that, in other words, two-fifths of the electorate were indifferent to the result. I find such supine indifference on such a fiercely contested issue remarkable.

    Contrast this figure with last year’s Scottish referendum on independence, for expel, where the turnout was 84.59%.

  19. “…the archbishop of Dublin is saying that while he intends to vote against same-sex “marriage,” he’s not telling other Catholics how to vote.”

    Or in another similar deceit, “I personally am against abortion, but…..”

    Or sadly this reality; “We shepherds love and protect our sheep, but if they want to frolic a bit with the wolves, then we’ll look the other way–wink, wink.”

  20. DBlack: “Meanwhile, child murder is next on the agenda in Ireland, of course once again funded by American liberals.”
    .
    A society that lusts after the blood of its unborn children will soon be eradicated from the face of God’s earth.

  21. Mary De Voe: “A society that lusts after the blood of its unborn children will soon be eradicated from the face of God’s earth.”

    Interesting that you say that as Islamic radicals controlling Iran are preparing to build nuclear bombs as well as ICBMs, which aren’t needed to bomb Israel. I wonder who they have in mind for using them?

  22. All of the above speaks to reality. The silence of Church leaders does, too. There probably won’t be anything definitive from Rome such as what has been spoken to defenders of Faith, Hope, and Love with a measure of contempt. It seems reasonable to imagine some gleeful cold hearts in the effort to keep that percentage of the ‘indifferent’ quiet, if not numb from impotence due to harassment. The spoiled ‘children’ of the US have celebrated success in changing culture and tradition for the past few years with epithets and insults. Hope for integrity and virtue to maintain a certain reality during the onslaught.

  23. The word “interdict” comes to mind. It will never happen.
    .
    The Irish idiot (I repeat myslef) population may vote that a dog’s tail is a leg. However, . . .
    .

    “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.” — Abraham Lincoln
    .
    Now, In imbecile Ireland, (I repeat myself, again) the word “marriage” means less than nothing.
    .

    Germaine Greer, “. . . Elton John and his ‘wife’ David Furnish have entered on the birth certificate of their two sons that David Furnish is the mother. I’m sorry. That will give you an idea of how the concept of motherhood has emptied out. It’s gone. It’s been deconstructed.”
    .
    Seeing the land where my ancestors were born wasn’t on my “bucket list.” I’m embracing my Teutonian roots, until they too fall off the face of the Earth.

  24. “Ireland’s fate is sealed.” Fr.Shyanguya Mon. @ 2:31pm.

    William P. Walsh brought up the St. Columbkille ” seven years ” prophecy a couple of days ago. ( The sea shall submerge Ireland in one inundation. )

    It, the new law of the land, may witness a manifestation of divine justice, hence a warning of sorts. Could it happen? Could it come before the Supreme Court convenes in June?

    Prayers for all souls are needed.

    Indonesia’s December 26th “act of nature” was inconceivable. It was just a short few years ago…remember?

  25. The shame of it all…..a country born again with an acknowledgment of the Most Holy Trinity, and now rejecting it. Satan is pleased.

    CONSTITUTION OF IRELAND

    In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

    We, the people of Éire,

    Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

    Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,

    And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,

    Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.

  26. Archbishop Martin is partly responsible for the outcome of the once Catholic Irish Republic’s adaptation of same sex marraige. The Archbishop abandoned his responsibility as an Apostle of the Catholic Church to shepherd his flock. He said that it is not his policy “to tell others how to vote” while stressing “that people should be informed.” How can his flock “be informed” if the Archbishop shirks from his duty to do so. I am sure that Saint Patrick is turning over in his grave and Our Lady of Knock has tears in her eyes.

  27. @Philip Thank you!

    Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. [Creation will be renewed one day, freed from corruption and illumined by God’s glory.] – Rev 21:1 [RSVCE]

    In Scripture, the sea – the first beast in revelation rises from it – is representative of the forces of evil. With this understanding and what has transpired in Ireland, I have recently been thinking what St. Columba’s prophecy might mean.

  28. Similarly, Caligula named his horse a Roman consul. Unbelievable as it may seem, the dinky dao Irish have managed to outdo Caligula.

  29. “In Scripture the sea, – the first beast in revelation rises from it, is representative of the forces of evil.” – Fr. Shyanguya.

    Thanks Father. Seems that the snakes have slithered up the cliffs. Our prayers are coming. We included Ireland in todays Rosary @ Nursing Home.

    Peace.

  30. Ireland deserves its fate. Nice job by the Irish hierarchy. They are quite possibly worse than what we have here in the USA.

    My son has baseball. I’ll have more to say on this later.

  31. I’m still trying to ascribe the best of motivations to Pope Francis, but there is a startling contrast between his silence on this referendum and his active intervention on the same issue in Slovakia (where the push to supposedly re-define marriage was soundly defeated).

    It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that Pope Francis only speaks out when he knows he is backing a popular winner.

  32. Next is the state requiring Catholic churches to conduct
    same sex marriages, which would defile the churches.

  33. @Philip. Thank you but I am not an ordained priest. Just a laymen trying to participate in the Christ’s prophetic office that was gifted at Baptism.

  34. @FMShyanguya.

    Please excuse my assumption.
    Your faith is exceptional.
    I enjoy your insights and comments on TAC. Blessings to you.

  35. Thank you @Philip. Please thank God because if my faith is manifest, it pleased him to gift it to me and make it manifest. Thanks also to @Donald R. McClarey and to TAC for the forum. God bless you and all near and dear to you, and his work at your hands. Lets pray that we all persevere.

  36. We notice the elephant in the room that most will not speak of…. the mass. Prior to the change (or destruction of the mass) people were flocking into the Catholic Church. Sure it wasn’t sunshine and lollipops but even in these united States people were saying this would be a ‘catholic nation’. After the change of the mass the bottom fell out. Vocations- gone, churches are being sold, etc etc. The faith was lost. Are we to think the mess inside the Church is divorced from the mess in the world? Grace comes in the world through the Church so if it is a mess in here then there will be a mess out there.

    We must get the liturgy fixed back to the form that was building western civilization

  37. Steve C: What change/changes to the Mass are you referring to? What is your specific recommendation to “fis the Liturgy”?

  38. I agree with you Steve. Reverence. Sacrament. Vatican 2 didn’t really call for all these changes. Modernism is bearing its fruit.
    As I indicated in my post above- people are looking elsewhere for the sense of the spiritual. Some find it in the fellowship of Protestant churches (stadium seating , w/ cupholders) and some in centering prayer and yoga. Fr Timothy Radcliffe is popular in Ireland as well as here.
    Mass is getting more casual by the week it seems

  39. It doesn’t serve the truth when we use the term “gay” to describe something that is so disordered and so destructive to both the dignity of the person and offends God.

  40. T. Shaw-my ancestors were German and Irish. The shameful and diabolic in the history of Germany (and those in the current hierarchy there) made my soul ache. Now I have the added burden of the Irish side which has effectively elevated Satan to god.

  41. The phrase “gay marriage” is as meaningless as the phrases “deceptively passing counterfeit currency honestly” or “colorless green ideas sleep furiously”.

    Words mean things.–Rush Limbaugh, American political commentator

  42. A bit harsh but the thrust is correct. Good time to remember about power corrupting absolutely and the envy of the good by evil which always tries to take good down. It will be a long struggle and good will prevail though not necessarily the way many think. And has been prophesied: many will be lost but there will be the faithful remnent.

  43. Mary – your argument about a gay marriage not being a true marriage because it cannot meet the requirements of the Church for marriage is part of an argument I’ve been making for a long time. Civil marriage alone is not enough for a sacramental marriage either. I should know – I received an annulment in record speed because my first marriage constituted an “error in form” having only occurred in front of a Justice of the Peace. The Catholic argument against civil same-sex marriage would be A LOT stronger if they also acknowledged that civil marriage isn’t real marriage. Anyone who gets married civilly only is committing fornication for as long as they remain with their “spouse.” If the Church had been more on top of this all of this confusion about marriage would likely not be happening. For example, the issues of cohabitation would likely not be an issue at all. If you think about it, it’s easy to see that few would feel differently about living in open fornication versus living in state-sanctioned fornication. It just goes to show – once you water down the sacraments for public consumption outside the church as we’ve done with marriage – what else could happen but what we’ve seen so far?

  44. Ireland did NOT vote Yes to redefine marriage.

    Voting is not compulsory in Ireland.

    Only 60% of eligible voters voted.

    Of that 60% voted Yes.

    So only 36% of eligible voters said Yes.

    Of those who did not care enough about the importance of mothers and fathers to children to vote, you got what you deserve.

    “For evil to prosper, good man need do nothing.”

  45. – A sacramental marriage is a valid marriage between two validly baptized persons, even when one party is non-Catholic. Please note a marriage between a Catholic and a non-Catholic is called mixed marriage.
    – A valid [proper steps were taken/Church law was followed] marriage between a Catholic and a non-baptized person is still a valid marriage but NOT a sacramental marriage.
    – The Catholic church considers as valid marriages between non-Catholics and obviously those are not sacramental marriages.
    – For Catholics: Can. 1108 §1. Only those marriages are valid which are contracted before the local ordinary, pastor, or a priest or deacon delegated by either of them, who assist, and before two witnesses according to the rules expressed in the following canons and without prejudice to the exceptions mentioned in cann. ⇒ 144, ⇒ 1112, §1, ⇒ 1116, and ⇒ 1127, §§1-2.

  46. FMShyanguya wrote, “The Catholic church considers as valid marriages between non-Catholics and obviously those are not sacramental marriages.”
    If both parties are baptized non-Catholics, their marriage is both valid an sacramental, as the Code of Canon Law majes clear.. “[A] valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament” (CIC 1055 §2)
    There are no formal requirements for such a marriage; just as there were no formal requirements for Catholics before the Council of Trent’s Tametsi decree of 1563.

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