Hilary the Crook



The Clinton political dynasty continues its well established pattern of criminality:


A former State Department staffer who worked on Hillary Rodham Clinton’s private e-mail server tried this week to fend off a subpoena to testify before Congress, saying he would assert his constitutional right not to answer questions to avoid incriminating himself.

The move by Bryan Pagliano, who had worked on Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign before setting up the server in her New York home in 2009, came in a Monday letter from his lawyer to the House panel investigating the 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

Go here to read the rest.  From the beginning of their joint political career, Hillary Clinton and her “husband” Bill have engaged in criminal conduct that would cause a Mafia Don to  blush. It speaks volumes about the endemic corruption  of the portside of the politics of this nation that they have gotten away with it thus far.  I doubt if  Clinton will this time however.  Denied the preternatural political skills of her “husband”, and immensely unlikeable to boot, she looks too much like a sure loser this time, and Obama has an undying enmity to the Clinton clan.  Most of the left seems to prefer no-hopers like the socialist senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, or beloved national clown Joe Biden, to getting aboard the Clinton train once again, just as it falls into the abyss in 2016.  We shall see how this plays out.



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  1. That such a transparently amoral person(s) could be so adulated by so many speaks more of the failure of our system of governance than to the cunning of these two neer-do-wells.

  2. As Oblahblah is, so Hillary is emblematic of the moral disintegration of the US. Progressives can do no wrong in the minds of their Party members.

  3. The problem you have with the portside in our time is (1) a large mass of their electorate is a bundle of sentiment; voting Democratic is a declaration of identity for them and everything else is white noise. I could put the screws to family members about Lois Lerner, but it would just lead to dinner-table arguments. Almost no partisan Democrats manifest the capacity to make impartial judgments about what Democratic office holders do, or their judgements are a complaint that the office-holders are insufficiently implacable in pursuing the standard goals. The closest partisan Democrats get to asserting an impartial principle is deserting Hildebeast for Sanders (who actually compares favorably to a number of the cretins who’ve sought the Democratic nomination in the last 20-odd years). (2) One cannot discount the mutual ill-effect of the Democratic Party on the financial sector and the legal profession, respectively. To a great extent it’s now the party of shysters and casino bankers (not to mention the teacher’s unions and Hollywood and the media). (3) About that last, there was a residual professionalism that put some distance between the Democratic Party and the media 35 years ago, as well as some residual embarrassment about the degree to which people like Phillip Graham were extensions of the Kennedy Administration. No more. It’s not merely that you have characters like Jay Carney going seemlessly from positions in the media to those in the Democratic Party and back, you have masses of prominent media figures who are 1st degree relatives of administration officials. So you know have routinized criminality and you have all the lawyers to argue for it and the journalists to bury the story. If you’re trying to imagine the Nixon Administration treating Congress and the Courts with the contemptuous non-compliance the current administration manifests, forget it.

  4. How the scratched and burned veneer of civility and reverence begun with broken limits of the law (objectivity, truth) and indecency coincides. No respectable legacy will remain, only the tawdry jokes and recorded memories of the time of loss of innocence and media habit of appetizing the baseness of humanity.

  5. A server cleaning, a call for religions to change their beliefs to benefit abortion and what next?
    Might she ask the Jewish community to eat pork?


    Saul Alinski alumni? You better believe it!
    Liar is not a bad description for this camp.

    Tar and feathered in ’16. Yah Hillary.

  6. I do not know. But it’s just that you should be careful and confirm the veracity of something before passing it on. merely present the link as something raising questions about the credibility of the source of the allegations raised in this particular post. All too often, people readily believe anything said about an ‘enemy’, however exaggerated or untrue. That there may be other more substantiated allegations does not justify carelessly passing on assumed-to-be-true but unverified information.

  7. From 1999 8/16 New York Post, a letter from Mr. Zeifman:

    “By Jerry Zeifman
    IN December 1974, as general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, I made a personal evaluation of Hillary Rodham (now Mrs. Clinton), a member of the staff we had gathered for our impeachment inquiry on President Richard Nixon. I decided that I could not recommend her for any future position of public or private trust.

    Why? Hillary’s main duty on our staff has been described by as “establishing the legal procedures to be followed in the course of the inquiry and impeachment.” A number of the procedures she recommended were ethically flawed. And I also concluded that she had violated House and committee rules by disclosing confidential information to unauthorized persons.

    Hillary had conferred personally with me regarding procedural rules. I advised her that Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino, House Speaker Carl Albert, Majority Leader Tip O’Neill and I had previously agreed not to advocate anything contrary to the rules already adopted and published for that Congress. I quoted Mr. O’Neill’s statement that: “To try to change the rules now would be politically divisive. It would be like trying to change the traditional rules of baseball before a World Series.”

    Hillary assured me that she had not drafted and would not advocate any such rules changes. I soon learned that she had lied: She had already drafted changes, and continued to advocate them.

    In one written legal memorandum, she advocated denying President Nixon representation by counsel. This, though in our then-most-recent prior impeachment proceeding, the committee had afforded the right to counsel to Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas.

    I also informed Hillary that the Douglas impeachment files were available for public inspection in our offices. I later learned that the Douglas files were then removed from our general files without my permission, transferred to the offices of the impeachment inquiry staff, and were no longer accessible to the public.

    The young Ms. Rodham had other bad advice about procedures, arguing that the Judiciary Committee should neither 1) hold any hearings with or take the depositions of any live witnesses, nor 2) conduct any original investigation of Watergate, bribery, tax evasion, or any other possible impeachable offense of President Nixon – but to rely instead on prior investigations conducted by other committees and agencies.

    The committee rejected Ms. Rodham’s recommendations: It agreed to allow President Nixon to be represented by counsel and to hold hearings with live witnesses. Hillary then advocated that the official rules of the House be amended to deny members of the committee the right to question witnesses. This unfair recommendation was rejected by the full House. (The committee also vetoed her suggestion that it leave the drafting of the articles of impeachment to her and her fellow special staffers.)

    The recommendations advocated by Hillary were apparently initiated or approved by Yale Law School professor Burke Marshall – in violation of committee and House rules on confidentiality. They were also advocated by her immediate supervisors, Special Counsel John Doar and Senior Associate Special Counsel Bernard Nussbaum, both of whom had worked under Marshall in the Kennedy Justice Department.

    It was not until two months after Nixon’s resignation that I first learned of still another questionable role of Ms. Rodham. On Sept. 26, 1974, Rep. Charles Wiggins, a Republican member of the committee, wrote to ask Chairman Rodino to look into a troubling set of events. That spring, Wiggins and other committee members had asked “that research should be undertaken so as to furnish a standard against which to test the alleged abusive conduct of Richard Nixon.” And, while “no such staff study was made available to the members at any time for their use,” Wiggins had just learned that such a study had been conducted – at committee expense – by a team of professors who completed and filed their reports with the impeachment-inquiry staff well in advance of our public hearings.

    The report was not made available to members of Congress. But after the impeachment-inquiry staff was disbanded, it was published commercially and sold in book stores. Wiggins wrote that he was “especially troubled by the possibility that information deemed essential by some of the members in their discharge of their responsibilities may have been intentionally suppressed by the staff during the course our investigation.”

    On Oct. 3, Rodino wrote back: “Hillary Rodham of the impeachment-inquiry staff coordinated the work. … After the staff received the report it was reviewed by Ms. Rodham, briefly by Mr. Labovitz and Mr. Sack, and by Mr. Doar. The staff did not think the manuscript was useful in its present form.”

    On the charge of willful suppression, he wrote: “That was not the case … The staff did not think the material was usable by the committee in its existing form and had not had time to modify it so it would have practical utility for the members of the committee. I was informed and agreed with the judgment.”

    During my 14-year tenure with the House Judiciary Committee, I had supervisory authority over several hundred staff members. With the exception of Ms. Rodham, Doar and Nussbaum, I recommend all of them for future positions of public and private trust.”

    Jerry Zeifman is the author of “Without Honor: The Impeachment of President Nixon and the Crimes of Camelot,” which describes the above matters in more detail. (See”

  8. Hillary is a textbook example of a psychopath. And, she’s extremely stupid to assume everybody in America is equally as stupid as to not see these acts as treasonous crimes.
    General Petraeus took home and showed his girlfriend two items that included classified info which were not stamped classified. Hillary’s personal server which was instituted and serviced by the same guys that work for the Russian mafia.
    Hillary needed the server so she could sell her office for Clinton Foundation donations. Otherwise, she could have conducted her personal business on aol or gmail.
    When after being subpoenaed, Hillary “wiped” the server which was obstruction of justice.

    Here’s the base problem. The Chinese, Iranians, and Russians have hacked all her server stuff and likely similar stuff on Kerry and Obama, and . . .In addition to their treasonous hatred of America allowing America’s enemies possession of blackmail potential info likely leads to destructive agreements, like the recent handing over to Iran of hundreds of billions to bankroll terror and the destruction of the few allies we have.
    But the idiot left (I repeat myself again) would support her even if she ran through a wood chipper 200 cute, little puppy-dogs on live TV.
    America is screwed.
    Snopes often “debunks” things based on slight errors in inconsequential/tangential facts which they exaggerate while omitting and distorting the facts that they don’t like.

  9. The point is that so far as I know, we only have assertions/opinions from Jerry Zeifman, and no one else to independently confirm them. I am not saying he’s not telling the truth, but we just have his word for it re whether Clinton was fired and under what circumstances. It may be true, it may not be.

  10. Robster regards Snopes as the gold standard here. The Snopes piece reads like a Hillary! press release and devolves into a defensive posture regarding descriptors rather than sticking to a factual assessment (as well as making incredible assertions, such as saying that Mr. Zeitman had no authority to fire one of his employees). I cannot recall Snopes pair have never done anything discreditable before. I will have to stop citing them.

  11. It was a prologue to her later career. Antecedent to her employment at the committee, HRC had knocked about New Haven for a year taking child development courses, the issue of which was her infamous article in the Harvard Educational Review later taken apart by Christopher Lasch. She failed at least one bar examination (DC’s, I think). Her employement at the Rose Firm in Little Rock was contemporaneous with her husband’s election as state Attorney-General. While there, she received from the Carter Administration a patronage plum of a seat on the board of the Legal Services Corporation, including a stint as chairman. Read James Jackson Kilpatrick’s post-mortem (published in 1984 or thereabouts) on what the Legal Services Corporation had decayed into when HRC and her associates were done with it. Her fantastic success with day trading in futures and options was during the period just afterward; I’m not sure anyone has yet identified who the party was who laundered a bribe through this conduit. Her work at Rose included representing clients in front of state commissions appointed by the Hot Springs Lounge Lizard. Then there were the shady land deals. Then there was the Webster Hubbell matter, indicative of the sort of nexus in which she traveled. A disbarred lawyer heading off to prison cleared $800,000 worth of ‘consulting fees’ in a matter of months. Did anyone ever investigate who his clients were and for what they could possibly be paying?

    Still Hubbell went to prison, James McDougal went to prison (and died there), Susan McDougal cooled her heels in jail for 2 years rather than answer questions in front of a grand jury, Jim Guy Tucker went to prison. The Clinton’s walked, and are honored by all and sundry in the social nexus of which the Democratic Party is the electoral vehicle, commanding nearly $200,000 a pop for boiler plate, courtesy those managing the endowments of institutions of higher education near you. They don’t think they’re above the law, they know it.

  12. All the people who waste their time chuffering about Vincent Foster’s ‘suspicious death’ might give some consideration to the obvious: he was a melancholic perfectionist who suddenly realized just who he had been working with and for, and was regrettably away from his family who might have taken away his gun and dragged him out of the emotional hole he was in. Gary Aldrich’s memoir of his time at the White House has a brief vignette about Foster. The man, per Aldrich, was perfectly cooperative and professional regarding the background investigation. The whole experience was completely different than that Aldrich had with the ordinary run of Administration appointee, who refused to make appointments or answer questions, or treated him with adolescent contempt, or had arguments with him over the drug laws (Aldrich figured in retrospect that it was policy to frustrate the theretofore straightforward procedure of background checks because the corps the Clintoon’s brought with them was shot-through with drug users and tax scofflaws).

  13. About those huge speakers’ fees and HRH Hillary’s pay-back potential . . . Else, who would pay $200,000 to 400,000 to listen to Slick Willie’s and her lies?

    HRH Hillary simply would compound the irreparable damage, er, fundamental change that Obama has inflicted on the middle class.

  14. Next time she’s on TV count the robotic “duh’s”, “uh’s”, “um’s”, etc.
    She wouldn’t last five minutes in a debate with Dr. Carson, Carly Fiorina, or Donald Trump. “Duh, raise taxes; ooh, more regulations; uh, global warming – raise electric rates; um, keep abortion legal; Duh, Bill and the Party owe me for November 1996 . . . ”
    Hillary being the “smartest” liberal woman on the planet tells us about certain women than about HRH Hillary.

  15. Rahm Emmanuel, who had from mid adolescence to age 39 never worked for any commercial business other than Arby’s as an adolescent and never had any tertiary schooling in a quantitative subject, managed to land a job as an ‘investment banker’ with Wasserstein, Perella in 1998. William Dyer picked over the entrails of this and said the sums he was gifted made no sense except as a pre-paid bribe. That’s what happened in this country. Gerald Ford got subjected to a special prosecutor investigation in 1976 (the office then headed by Democratic operative Charles Ruff) for golf outings 5 and 12 years earlier he’d taken with a chum who worked as a lobbyist for the steel industry trade association. (The man’s name was William Whyte and he had a reputation per Woodward and Bernstein for being as clean as they come on Capitol Hill). Walter Mondale was taken to task in 1984 by some journalists (e.g. Michael Kinsley) for having netted $500,000 in fees for lobbying at the firm of Winston & Strawn during the period running from 1981 to 1983 (a contextually similar sum today would be about $2 million); we know who paid him and precisely why). By 2002, the sensibilities of the public were so decayed (or the press was so much in the tank for the Democratic Party) that $16 million paid to a former Arby’s meat cutter for ‘investment banking services’ triggers no curiousity at all.

    Worst political class ever.

  16. She wouldn’t last five minutes in a debate with Dr. Carson, Carly Fiorina, or Donald Trump.

    She might if the RNC doofuses agree to some of the moderators the Republicans were graced with in 2012. I would not put it past R. Priebus to sign off on Gwen Ifill or Candy Crowley.

  17. I don’t consider the gold standard; it is as fallible and prejudicial as any other information source. But the info comes from one single source, contradicting another source. As I said, I am not a fan of HRC, but in partisan politics, people too readily run with something because it favors their viewpoint, or makes the enemy look bad, regardless of whether it is true, false or verifiable.

  18. But the info comes from one single source, contradicting another source.

    Your other source, supposedly a neutral fact-checker site, says Zeitman as chief counsel had ‘no authority’ to terminate an attorney in the committee’s employ because the ‘impeachment inquiry’ supposedly had a ‘separate staff’. From whence did they acquire this granular knowledge of the committee’s lines of authority, knowledge sufficently secure to baldly accuse Zeitman of lying when he said he fired her and ‘having an axe to grind’? None of it is credible.

  19. Glenn Beck puts it exactly the way I put it. The Democrat Party is organized crime. They are as mean and nasty and dirty as La Cosa Nostra or the Crips or Bloods or MS19.

    FDR was as crooked as a dog’s hind leg. The Kennedys were in a class of their own. Countless people tried to warn us about the Clintons. Much of the damage done by Bill Clinton occurred after he left office. Al Qaeda grew in strength and the perpetrators of September 11 came here during Clinton’s second term. Secrets were stolen in broad daylight out of Los Alamos. The subprime mortgage mess accelerated. Raw FBI files were taken and pored over and were left laying around.
    In all of this, the stinking media never cared and all of his handlers made excuse after excuse. The economic recovery was laid at Clinton’s feet, when he did his best to sabotage it and Clinton signed the capital gain tax cut only when Dick Morris told him he would lose in 1996 if he didn’t sign it.

    The Hildebeast has none of the political savvy or charm of the Hot Springs Lounge Lizard. Der Schlickmeister can lie and lie and lie and make it look easy. The Hildebeast is shrill, mean, nasty and looks older than her years.

    Going back to the damage done by Der Schlickmeister – he wrecked his party’s stranglehold on Congress. Centrist Democrats were purged from the party. Even Arkansas and Louisiana have flipped to the Republican Party. In turn, people who were young adults when Clinton was first elected gave him credit for the 1990s economy and managed to flip many suburban areas to the Democrat Party. The Philadelphia suburbs are an example of this. Democrats usually lost Pennsylvania in presidential elections before Slick Willie but haven’t lost one since he was elected. Philly vote fraud contributes to this problem, but the Philly ‘burbs starting voting with the city. What is left of the Democrats is a bunch of angry hard core leftists. What makes this especially bad is when the Democrats take power we are stuck with a bunch of God-hating socialists/Communists who hate this country and the values that have made it great. They seek to divide and destroy – and have succeeded. Who can honestly say this country is not in a bigger mess than it was in 2007?

    Meanwhile, Jeb! the Catholic (?) served on the Bloomberg Foundation as it helped to spread homosexuality and abortion – when he wasn’t praising the Hildebeast or supporting amnesty for illegal aliens. The last part will get him in good graces with the USCCB, which “cares” for the poor (with other people’s money) and little else.

  20. My first take-away from all this is to look around for someplace high to jump from. It all seems so utterly hopeless. The Democrat party is now a religion whose leaders are corrupt, criminal and openly flaunt the laws and spirit of our country, yet whose true believers, comprising roughly 40% of the population, don’t have a problem with this behavior. And to make matters even worse–if that were possible–most of the clergy of the Catholic Church, including our dear Pope, lean Democrat which is rationalized by the seamless garment nonsense.

    Why did this happen? To me, it was the collapse of Christian morality around the time of Vatican II that set this in motion. Christian morality was then supplanted by the Social-Justice (read Democrat party program) of the Catholic Church. The Catholic clergy in large measure lost their faith substituting Democrat politics in place of religion.

    What can be done? Vote Republican as the lesser of the evils and pray a whole lot. Also, stay away from high places.

  21. I don’t care whether HRC was actually fired or not fired. What’s important was her behavior. I find that totally believable. The snopes article mentioned that she “was just following orders”. Hmmm, where have we heard that excuse before? It didn’t work for the Nazis at the Nuremburg Trials and it shouldn’t work for her. Having had a family member who worked on a Senator’s staff and as Senate committee staffer, I can state that who is pulling the strings may not be the one who has the title. The Dems are consistenly liars and thieves. Regarding the worst of the Democrats, just watch the British trilogy of House of Cards and then pair Obama, the Clintons, etc. with F.U. Urquhart, Lady Urquhart, their henchmen and party members.
    Though flawed The Donald is looking better all the time.
    Thank you to Don for the post and all who have contributed comments.

  22. “Still Hubbell went to prison, James McDougal went to prison (and died there), Susan McDougal cooled her heels in jail for 2 years rather than answer questions in front of a grand jury, Jim Guy Tucker went to prison. ”

    Jim Guy Tucker never spent any actual time in prison due to health issues related to a failing liver. Also, we here in Arkansas had several other public officials around that time period go down in flames with convictions.

    If memory serves me correctly, many of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm billing records never saw the light of day. The McDougals went to prison, in my humble opinion, because they knew they would either be incarcerated or end up room temperature like so many others in our state did who had information that could be damaging to the political career/presidential run of Bill Clinton.

  23. “All the people who waste their time chuffering about Vincent Foster’s ‘suspicious death’ might give some consideration to the obvious: he was a melancholic perfectionist who suddenly realized just who he had been working with and for, and was regrettably away from his family who might have taken away his gun and dragged him out of the emotional hole he was in.”

    My entire family are absolutely convinced Foster was murdered–including me. We will never know the contents of the boxes & computers that were in Foster’s possession when he died because Hillary sent folks to collect all of them before the police sealed the area–and the police let those records be taken never to be seen again.

    No matter who ended up dead or how, there was always a ready excuse for the death from a willing media to protect the Clintons. There is no way that Foster could not have know about some of the corruption surrounding the Clintons because while Bill was in office here in Arkansas, it was common knowledge–it was just kept out of the media.

    I remember hearing the press conference of Paula Jones announcing her lawsuit against Bill Clinton on my way home from work on a Wednesday afternoon over my car radio. Ms. Jones named a state trooper who would be testifying on her behalf in that news conference. I remember thinking at the time that both Paula & the trooper would probably end up dead–by an apparent suicide–the most often reason given for these deaths–along with some blurb about their personal lives that was meant to damage the dead person’s reputation in the public view. As you know, Paula survived it. However, two days later, in the afternoon over my car radio it was announced that the state trooper, whose name had been announced by Paula as being on her witness list earlier in the week, had been found dead in a motel room of “an apparent suicide.”

    There isn’t time to go into all of the corruption that was going on in the state crime lab under Bill Clinton as governor (reference Joycelyn Elders & her drug addicted son)–however, let me just say that it was the sloppy, ill equipped, incompeten, corrupt state crime lab that was processing all of the “apparent suicides” connected to the Clintons.

  24. “Susan McDougal cooled her heels in jail for 2 years rather than answer questions in front of a grand jury”

    Again, Susan knew she would end up room temperature if she told what she knew. The time she actually spent in jail was 18 months.

  25. “My first take-away from all this is to look around for someplace high to jump from. It all seems so utterly hopeless.”

    God is not the least bit shocked by evil. He does not intend for us to let fear over take us & paralyze us. It is ok to be down for a little while, but don’t stay there.

    Psalm 37:
    “1  Fret not thyself because of evildoers,     
    neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
    2  For they shall soon be cut down like the grass,       
    and wither as the green herb.
    3  Trust in the LORD, and do good;     
    so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
    4  Delight thyself also in the LORD;       
    and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
    5  Commit thy way unto the LORD;      
    trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.
    6  And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light,        
    and thy judgment as the noonday.
    7  Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him:        
    fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way,
    because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
    8  Cease from anger, and forsake wrath:       
    fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
    9  For evildoers shall be cut off:        
    but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.
    10  For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be:        
    yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
    11  But the meek shall inherit the earth; Mt. 5.5         
    and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
    12  The wicked plotteth against the just,        
    and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
    13  The Lord shall laugh at him:       
    for he seeth that his day is coming.
    14  The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow,        
    to cast down the poor and needy,
    and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
    15  Their sword shall enter into their own heart,      
    and their bows shall be broken.
    16  A little that a righteous man hath        
    is better than the riches of many wicked.
    17  For the arms of the wicked shall be broken:        
    but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
    18  The LORD knoweth the days of the upright:       
    and their inheritance shall be for ever.
    19  They shall not be ashamed in the evil time:        
    and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
    20  But the wicked shall perish,        
    and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs:
    they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
    21  The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again:       
    but the righteous showeth mercy, and giveth.
    22  For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth;       
    and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
    23  The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD:        
    and he delighteth in his way.
    24  Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down:       
    for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.
    25  I have been young, and now am old;      
    yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken,
    nor his seed begging bread.
    26  He is ever merciful, and lendeth;       
    and his seed is blessed.
    27  Depart from evil, and do good;       
    and dwell for evermore.
    28  For the LORD loveth judgment,        
    and forsaketh not his saints;
    they are preserved for ever:
    but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
    29  The righteous shall inherit the land,      
    and dwell therein for ever.
    30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom,       
    and his tongue talketh of judgment.
    31  The law of his God is in his heart;        
    none of his steps shall slide.
    32  The wicked watcheth the righteous,       
    and seeketh to slay him.
    33  The LORD will not leave him in his hand,        
    nor condemn him when he is judged.
    34  Wait on the LORD, and keep his way,        
    and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land:
    when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
    35  I have seen the wicked in great power,       
    and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
    36  Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not:       
    yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
    37  Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright:        
    for the end of that man is peace.
    38  But the transgressors shall be destroyed together:      
    the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
    39  But the salvation of the righteous is of the LORD:       
    he is their strength in the time of trouble.
    40  And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them:      
    he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them,
    because they trust in him.”
    The Lord know that we do not have the strength to face such evil on our own.

    Psalm 28:7
    “The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in him, and he helps me. My heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise him.”

  26. My entire family are absolutely convinced Foster was murdered–including me.

    You are wasting the space inside your head. His suicide was subject to four separate investigations by two different police forces and two different prosecutorial staffs. His hometown doctor and his family were broadly aware of the condition he was in and he’d asked for and been given a prescription for anti-depressants.

  27. “You are wasting the space inside your head. His suicide was subject to four separate investigations by two different police forces and two different prosecutorial staffs. His hometown doctor and his family were broadly aware of the condition he was in and he’d asked for and been given a prescription for anti-depressants.”

    I don’t know where you live or what type of life experiences you have had with law enforcement, crime labs, official investigations, etc. Many of those type reports are not worth the paper they are written on. I have mote experience with these type matters than I wish to have. We had folks, here in Arkansas surrounding the Clintons, telling their family members they were going to be killed & ending up dead–with the requisite excuses in the media & the “apparent suicides”–along with a “verifying” crime lab report. You simply do not understand the level of corruption surrounding these folks. I will not go into details re: why Foster was murdered as nothing will bring him back & you are already convinced. PS millions of Americans are on anti-depressants and don’t commit suicide.

  28. I don’t know where you live or what type of life experiences you have had with law enforcement, crime labs, official investigations, etc. Many of those type reports are not worth the paper they are written on.

    And the voices inside your head are worth more? And you fancy Kenneth Starr was some sort of Clinton errand-boy?
    Barbara, if it pleases you to complicate something very straightforward just to amuse yourself, be my guest. Just do not muck up serious discussions with these speculations.

  29. Art Deco:

    This is in response to your last post to me. I will not respond to your usual personal insults. I will point out that if you are interested in a serious discussion and want to question what others are saying that you have your own facts straight. I had to correct your assertion that one of our governors had spent time in jail and correct you re: the length of time Susan McDougal spent in jail.

  30. Barbara, the term ‘personal insult’ does not mean any remark which irritates you. It requires a characterization. I might be tempted to do that. I just have not done it here. That Susan McDougal spent 18 months or 24 months in jail (it’s not materially important) actually is a fact. The notion that Vincent Foster was murdered (by whom and for whatever reason), his body dumped in Fort Marcy Park, and the whole affair covered up by the U.S. Park Police, the special prosecutor Robert Fiske, the special prosecutor Kenneth Starr [!], and other agencies, is not a fact, nor a set of facts, nor derived from a set of facts, It is derived from the imagination, the same sort of imagination which produces passable detective fiction and irritating paranoid delusions. It does not matter if you or your relatives find the fictions plausible. They are still fictions.

  31. “That Susan McDougal spent 18 months or 24 months in jail (it’s not materially important) actually is a fact”

    1. It is a fact that Susan spent 18 months in jail rather than the 2 years you stated. It is also a fact that Jim Guy Tucker did not spend time in jail despite the fact that you stated that he went to jail. If you are going to state errors of “fact” in what you have called “serious discussion” at least have the maturity to admit it or leave it alone. No one has made you God & allowed you to determine what is & is not materially important.

    2. The reason I knew the errors in statements you were making as fact, as well as detailed info related to HRC, Vince Foster, the guy from rural Arkansas who predicted his own death due to his connection with the Clintons, etc., is because of being directly involved in state politics.

    3. The corruption at the state crime lab during the Clintons’ reign in our state was widely reported upon through investigative reporting by our two state papers at the time. The facts of some individual cases were gone over in public committee meetings at our state house. Facts re: some of the cases in which innacurate finds, at our state crime lab were used to set the guilty free & falsely charge the innocent , were being debated & fought over 10 years after the fact in court. Many of the court documents s.a. related depositions, etc. were put on line for the reading.

    WAIT! Maybe I just imagined all that–maybe it was just voices in my head telling me lies!! *sarcasm*

  32. Vincent Foster was the son of a small-town real estate agent, a man prosperous enough that his son was able to attend Davidson College. If you bracket out research universities, Davidson is one of the most selective private institutions in the entire country. Hope, Arkansas was a dense settlement with 8,000 people in it. Vincent Foster did not grow up in ‘rural Arkansas’. He was a child of the bourgeoisie who lived in town.

    No clue what Foster said when about his death or the context of any remarks he did make. So much imaginative literature has been published about this case that only remarks with excellent provenance should be trusted.

    No one has made you God & allowed you to determine what is & is not materially important.

    I have adequate judgment, as does anyone with a lick of sense, to understand that whether Susan McDougal was in jail for 18 months or 24 months, it has no bearing on anything that happened to Vincent Foster several years earlier.

    That and the rest of your remarks are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Try some inductive reasoning with this matter. If that’s too technical, why not ask yourself why the Starr staff concluded that Foster committed suicide. It’s not as if Starr was unwilling to pursue cases against the Clintons.

  33. “I have adequate judgment, as does anyone with a lick of sense, to understand that whether Susan McDougal was in jail for 18 months or 24 months, it has no bearing on anything that happened to Vincent Foster several years earlier.”

    1. I never said that it had an direct bearing. I have noticed your attempts at bait & switch before. 😀

    2. It is also a sign of immaturity to always have to have the last word. Lol

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