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Deliver them that are led to death: and those that are drawn to death forbear not to deliver.

Proverbs 24: 11

 

 

 

 

The parents of Charlie Gard thanked U.S. President Donald Trump and Pope Francis for supporting their legal battle to keep their 11-month-old son alive.

The European Court of Human Rights effectively handed Gard a death sentence June 27, when it ruled the terminally-ill baby should be pulled off life-support. Gard’s parents want to take their son to the U.S. for experimental treatment of his rare genetic disorder, but the courts have repeatedly denied such a request.

Trump and Pope Francis have both spoken out in support of the parents. Connie Yates, Gard’s mother, told BBC Monday that their words “turned it into an international issue.” Yates added that their support has been the “single biggest factor” in ensuring Gard remains on life-support. (RELATED: Media Downplays Trump Tweet Offering To Help Terminally-Ill Baby)

The parents of Charlie Gard thanked U.S. President Donald Trump and Pope Francis for supporting their legal battle to keep their 11-month-old son alive.

The European Court of Human Rights effectively handed Gard a death sentence June 27, when it ruled the terminally-ill baby should be pulled off life-support. Gard’s parents want to take their son to the U.S. for experimental treatment of his rare genetic disorder, but the courts have repeatedly denied such a request.

Trump and Pope Francis have both spoken out in support of the parents. Connie Yates, Gard’s mother, told BBC Monday that their words “turned it into an international issue.” Yates added that their support has been the “single biggest factor” in ensuring Gard remains on life-support. (RELATED: Media Downplays Trump Tweet Offering To Help Terminally-Ill Baby)

 

 

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Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 4:22am

The European Court of Human Rights…… what a load of crap. Western Europe deserves its fate.

Greg Mockeridge
Greg Mockeridge
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 4:52am

It’s good to see both President Trump and Pope Francis use their positions and resources to try to help this family.

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 4:53am

So does Mark “I am the greatest apoologist ever” Shea have ANYTHING to say about hated Trump and beloved Bergoglio essentially cooperating together to save a baby’s life?

As for the European Court, I defer to Penguins Fan’s sagacious wisdom with which I am in complete agreement and alignment.

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 5:04am
Dave Griffey
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 7:58am

Lucius, Nate is right. That’s all Mark’s said about the issue. Simcha essentially set aside the issue of the State superseding the parents’ rights. So there’s no way of knowing where he stands on that. I know Simcha posted a few articles from folks saying the Courts were in the right. Don’t know if she supports that view or just posted them. But it’s been strangely silent in some quarters. Especially since Pope Francis has stepped in. Mark said he would comment on it. He just hasn’t as far as I know.

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 12:13pm

Well what more do you expect? Shea has set it up so that anybody arguing against government healthcare is personally demanding he, Mark, die.

So then if government healthcare then turns around and reveals that it too will be demanding the people in it’s care die, what can one possibly choose? He’s trapped himself into a corner and dilemma of his own making.

It’s almost a perfect example of being given enough rope to hang yourself with.

Dave Griffey
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 3:19pm

Mark talked to Deacon Greydanus about this briefly, at the end of the podcast and a little earlier on.
I tried to transcribe it, but still typing with just one working hand, so I’ll summarize. You can hear the whole thing at Mark’s blog.

The gist seems to be they agree with the courts in this case. The child’s case is hopeless and most disturbing of all, Mark rests his view on the pointlessness of the procedure on his friend, pediatrician Dan Conway. Now Dan might be a fine doctor, I don’t know. But he’s one of the most extreme, at times nearly unhinged, partisan leftists I’ve ever seen. Literally. To the right is all evil; all are wrong, stupid, evil, racists. It matters not what they do, believe or confess. It was Dan who I blogged about a year or so ago who mocked the idea of individual charity as opposed to supporting the economic policies of liberal Democrats. It was Dan who declared linking AIDS to the sex culture to be a form of hate and judgmentalism. So I can’t tell how much I could take Dan’s word on this without being aware of the clear and obvious biases he brings to almost any discussion.

But that was it. Mark mentioned that it has been politicized. Deacon Greydanus did admit there was reason to have lost some trust in the medical establishment in the wake of euthanasia. But he seemed to think that this was a case where the courts were right to intervene (unless I’m really missing the point he was making), and Mark ended it with condemning those accusing the doctors of murder, since as he says, it’s doing evil to accuse someone of wanting to murder when all they’re doing is trying to help. Thus said Mark Shea.

Dave Griffey
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 4:49pm

I didn’t hear the whole thing. I missed the first part. At the end of the podcast, after discussing the movies, Deacon Steve said he wanted to talk about it. One of them said they had, but the other said only for a few minutes. Don’t know which. But unless they mentioned it the first time, I was taken by the fact that there was no mention of Pope Francis or what he said. I’ve heard some say Pope Francis actually didn’t contradict the courts. It seems to me he was trying to bypass the court’s choice. But he wasn’t brought up in the part of the conversation I heard, and he’s not been mentioned much in several blogs I’ve been watching.

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Tuesday, July 11, AD 2017 6:42pm

Shea is in a dark place, but let us not forget that he has freely chosen it. Shea equated Dubya and conservatism with waterboarding and has allowed himself to become unhinged.

Back to the President. Trump’s life before running for President is an open book. We all know of his behavior which was often that of a publicity seeking buffoon. I look at the fact that Trump’s children are well behaved people. I see that Trump does not drink alcohol at all. I see that his wife is Catholic and is a genuinely classy lady. His first visit to any European city was Warsaw, the capital of one of the few geniunely Catholic nations left on Earth. Note that even the often nasty tempered Pope does not publicly attack Poland for its refusal to accept Muslims or its bishops conference rejecting outright any attempt for divorced and civilly remarried Catholics to receive Communion. There is something going on here that I cannot quite describe. Trump openly supported the parents of and Charlie Card (my youngest son is named Charlie, for Karol Wojtyla and Charles Martel).

Before the rise of Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin was an apparatchik. After the collapse of the USSR, Yeltsin was a corrupt thief. However, during the attempted coup, Yeltsin rose to the occasion and stared down the bungled attempt to install a hardline regime. The Russian people sttod with him and supported him and on Christmas Day 1991, the flag of the USSR was lowered from its place in the Kremlin.
Will Trump rise to the occasion? Perhaps. Let us pray for it. It has been said ythat a good judge of a man’s character is to know who his enemies are. Trump’s enemies have made themselves known clearly. Fortunately, most of them are as stupid as a paper bag of hammers.

Micha Elyi
Micha Elyi
Wednesday, July 12, AD 2017 1:22am

Deacon Greydanus (said) there was reason to have lost some trust in the medical establishment in the wake of euthanasia.
Dave Griffey

As an aside, I am greatly disappointed that physicians haven’t insisted that the practices of abortion and euthanasia be driven into another profession entirely, perhaps one whose practitioners are called thanatocians–‘mortician’ having already been taken, and that such people be forever barred from practicing as physicians.

Michael Paterson-Seymour
Michael Paterson-Seymour
Wednesday, July 12, AD 2017 2:14am

Penguin’s Fan wrote, “Western Europe deserves its fate.”

The European Court of Human Rights is by no means confined to Western Europe. Among the latest signatories to the Convention are Russia (1996), Croatia (1996), Georgia (1999), Armenia (2001) and Azerbaijan (2001). Turkey has been a member since 1949, Hungary since 1990 and Poland since 1991.

Mary De Voe
Mary De Voe
Wednesday, July 12, AD 2017 6:34am

Charlie Gard’s existence will not end with is death. Charlie Gard’s immortal soul will live forever, much to the ignorant atheist’s attempt to deny his rational soul and eternal existence. Scrooge said: “Let him die and reduce the population” Charles Dickens. Denying the rational soul of man, the image of God in man is the devil’s work to seduce mankind to believe that man is nothing more than animal instinct.

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Wednesday, July 12, AD 2017 8:40am

For those curious, here is the link to the podcast between Shea and Steve.

But that was it. Mark mentioned that it has been politicized.

HOW COULD IT NOT? How can any government action not be political, since politics is about choosing government action? Is he that hard up to avoid confronting the possibility here that he’s become a blithering idiot?

And I wonder if I would ever want to take a child to Dan C at this rate. Then again I’m starting to question certain facts about his identity.

Dale Price
Dale Price
Wednesday, July 12, AD 2017 12:10pm

Dan Conway?

All I’m going to say about that individual is that I hope for the sake of his immortal soul that he is laboring under some kind of mental impairment.

Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester
Wednesday, July 12, AD 2017 12:31pm

He is, Dale, it’s called liberalism. 😎

I wonder if you had more dealings with him back when you were more active on Shea’s combox.

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