Civil War II

Maybe somebody just forgot what it was like.

Lt. Col. Andrew Tanner in Red Dawn attempting to explain why the Third World War broke out.



As faithful readers of this blog know, I write a lot about the Civil War.  One thing that has struck me over the years is just how terrible it was.  The amount of human suffering during that War is something that future generations have found difficult to fathom.  Typical is the uncertainty as to how many men died in the War.  For almost a century the accepted figure was around 620,000.  In the last few years good arguments have been made for 750,000.  Who knows?  There were so many unrecorded skirmishes, so much combat in poorly reported theaters of war, for example the Indian Territory and the Far West, so many men who died of disease, so many records lost, especially on the Confederate side.  You could tell me that the figure was a million and I wouldn’t blink an eye, and all of this was out of a total population of thirty million.  Then we have the maimed from that War, who became a common feature in American society for decades, as did myriads of widows raising kids, side by side with the many young women who never married due to so many young men being lost in the War.  That the South was economically devastated for decades is well known;  less well known is that it would be over a half century for the debt incurred by the Union to be repaid.  I think the cost in lives and treasure was worth it, but the phrase a dreadful price accurately sums up what occurred.

Thus I find it infuriating when idiots talk blithely of a Civil War II.  Attorney and retired Colonel Kurt Schlichter takes a look at a recent sample of this:

Tech titan Jack Dorsey of San Francisco-based social media platform Twitter applauded an article in something called Medium in which some other hipster CEO described how liberals intend to crush Normal Americans into serfdom in a bloodless “civil war.” 

Here it is. 


It will just sort of happen. Why? Because. Americans will simply decide to be like California because of reasons and phew, no more troublesome conservatives and Gaia is saved!

So basically, wishing.

Well, that’s a kind of war plan. Perhaps by unleashing the power of hoping so they can utterly subjugate the half of America that voted against Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit and drive the people who actually operate and defend this country into silent obedience.

Or not.

Now, I know what you’re saying. You’re saying, “Why do a bunch of San Francisco dorks think that 150 million Americans with 300 million guns are just going to give up their rights and their say in their own governance and submit to the commands of people who eat kale by choice?” That’s a fair question, and they have an answer.

Because you just are.

I didn’t say it was a good answer.

Recently I wrote a long column here describing the ugly realities of an actual Second Civil War – realities that are much uglier for the anti-freedom liberal side in terms of terrain, combat power, and morale. Naturally, this cry for sanity, which was only the latest in my long history of pleas to liberals to avoid the kind of civil strife I witnessed the consequences of overseas, was greeted by a torrent of outright lies. “You are advocating a civil war blah blah blah blah.” All liberal bull Schiff, including some by shameful collaborationist Fredocons who should know better, but not at all unexpected. The modern liberals’ rhetorical toolbox is filled exclusively with lies, which has the effect of making actual reasoned discussion impossible. Of course, that is their goal – they don’t want to defeat your argument. They want you bullied into silence. Tellingly, no one even bothered to try and counter the indisputable facts I offered many times showing why liberals will fail if they choose violence – instead, they tried to shut me up. 

Go here to read the rest.  If we ever have a Civil War II it will be because, like the first Civil War, too many people on all sides swallowed their own Kool-Aide, and believed their propaganda that the other side would not fight or would be easy to defeat.  In a Civil War in a nation of 330 million people, stretching across a continent, our death toll in the first Civil War would likely be considered an historical footnote compared to the carnage that would quickly ensue in such a fight.  Otto von Bismarck once predicted that if a Great War happened it would be over some damn fool thing in the Balkans.  If Civil War II ever happens in this nation it will be because we simply have too many damn fools period.

“I will wipe up all the blood shed with a handkerchief of mine.”

A. W. Venable, North Carolina secessionist, predicting how much blood would be shed prior to the start of the first Civil War.



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  1. There was a huge chink in the solid blue walls of both coasts and the Rio Grande Valley of Texas in the last election cycle. Some good folks and excellent candidates got the word out to Hispanic Americans in The Valley that the Democrats were and are the Party of Death and that they had promoted and advocated for black and brown genocide – of the 60,000,000 babies killed by “choice,” about half, yes 50%, were minority babies. These facts cannot be denied -and in The Valley the democrats saw their typical 100% Hispanic American monolith -sometimes 105% – erode, and erode statistically significantly. It is this truth which might delay or prevent the civil war. Guy McClung, Texas

  2. Was the glorious 2016 election a manifestation of Christian Nationalist ascendancy? Or, was it evidence of liberal autophagy?

    Liberals aren’t too bright. Corrupt, incompetent Hillary (the smartest woman on Earth) deployed against half the population a pejorative, “deplorable.”

    Until now they kept under cover their motives and dark plans.

    It’s always the left against deplorable, ordinary Americans. “Do they really hate ordinary people that much? Yes, they do. For liberals, the distinction between the “dumb masses” and their enlightened selves renders life meaningful. Disdain for ordinary folks is not just an ancillary trait of liberalism. It is fundamental to the its nature.” Jeffrey Folks at “The American Thinker.”

    Advice to Christians: don’t entertain sermons on faith and morals from people that hate the Church, caricature our religious beliefs, and plan to destroy our way of life.

  3. If the numbers are right, 620,000 casualties would have been about 2% of the population in 1860. 2% of 330 million today is 6.6 million. Contemplate that for a while.

  4. The self-understanding of the left is such that respect for procedural norms is now alien to them. If that’s the case, they’re actually begging to be dealt with irregularly. They’re not gonna like it. The worst case scenario is Spain during the period running from 1936-39. The best case is that the tape is rewound rapidly and liberal redoubts are demolished in an orderly if not altogether legal fashion.

  5. True Ben. World War II had a huge impact on this nation and in that War we had 416,800 fatalities out of a population of 125 million. The Civil War, as a historical phenomenon, dwarfs everything else this nation has experienced.

  6. What on earth is a “Fredocon”?

    I nodded along with most of it, but when folks start having cutie-pie names, especially ones that look like an attempt to use a sexual slur (“pedo,” see also “cuckservative”) for members of their own “side” who don’t follow along, my danger alarms start going off. Someone can be quite correct in their analysis while still not being someone you want to follow.

  7. If that’s the case, they’re actually begging to be dealt with irregularly. They’re not gonna like it.

    Insert video here of that female with dredloks who bragged, on video, about how she was going to be wearing spiked gloves and would assault the disarmed protesters they were “counter-protesting”… next time she was on video, she was cold-cocked by a guy in a buzz-cut and button up shirt.

  8. What on earth is a “Fredocon”?

    Addison Mitchell McConnell, Paul Ryan, &c. They’re either a majority of the congressional Republican caucus or a critical mass large enough at all times to prevent the Republican caucus from actually accomplishing anything. N.B., for 29 of the last 33 years, the Senate Republican caucus has been led by men who had had little or nothing in the way of a professional life outside the world of electoral politics. That describes two of the last five leaders of the House Republican caucus. Of the other three, one’s a lush and another was a crook with skeletons in his closet. Embarrasing as Dr. Gingrich can be at times (and that’s plenty), his stewardship was a brief, shining moment. Of course, Bob Dole despised him.

  9. I think one of the best books that I have read applying lessons from our Civil War is “The legacy of the Civil War” by Robert Penn Warren.

    Professor Warren uses the term the Great Alibi to describe the Southern Position and the Treasury of virtues to describe the Northern position.

    The Southern position to go to war to defend slavery can’t be defended politically, socially economically or theologically. The first chapter of the book “The Consuming Fire” by Eugene Genovese provides examples of compelling theological arguments made against the nature of slavery in the antebellum South. It is hard to imagine why so many fought to secede when they had so much to lose and so little to gain from supporting a society based upon such a primitive and cruel economic base. Even today some feel obligated to defend Southern Secession when this distracts from arguing against the decision by the North to invade the South.

    The Northern position using the “treasury of virtue” as an indulgence to excuse any behavior or action needed to end slavery is also difficult to defend theologically. St. Paul warns against the foolishness of resisting an evil by using an even greater evil. According to Just War Theory, peaceful (or less violent) means to end slavery should have been exhausted before initiating the violent invasion, then destruction and suppression of the South. Perhaps a motivation to remove civil war monuments may be to keep people from understanding the catastrophic nature of the civil war and just continue to focus upon the virtue of ending slavery.

    Of these principles that Robert Penn Warren applied to the civil war, the most common and dangerous seems to me as the “treasure box of virtue”. Two areas where this thinking seems common are: how quickly our nation is to take military action without considering less lethal alternatives, and progressives who consider it a virtue to completely destroy those with a different political opinion.

  10. So “anybody who doesn’t magically deliver what I want before I get disenchanted.” -.- Of all the things that I really wish wouldn’t get picked up from the Left….

    Thank you for the definition.

    I’m not able to do videos, especially not ones I can’t be positive the kids can watch. (You don’t want to know what a pain it was after I clicked on the link the OP had for the word.)
    I can look up “it’s about Fredo from the Godfather 2,” though, thank you.

  11. So “anybody who doesn’t magically deliver what I want before I get disenchanted.” -.- Of all the things that I really wish wouldn’t get picked up from the Left….

    Somehow, the U.S. Congress used to enact actual appropriations bills. It even did so when Congress and the president were of different parties. It also routinely turned in balanced budgets, something state and local governments continue to do.

    I do find it amusing the Republican congressional caucus campaigned for six years in favor of a set of legislative acts and when the opportunity arose to actually pass them..welshed.

  12. Somehow, the U.S. Congress used to enact actual appropriations bills. It even did so when Congress and the president were of different parties.

    And that confirms the tactic being lifted, whole-sale, from the Left– because I know that if I am aware of the Stupid PoliTricks going on, then you are as well. While I can empathize with the annoyance, nobody said being the grown-ups was fair. Pattern was set with Woodstock: the “cool kids” throw a big party, and the responsible ones pull out the casualties and try to keep them alive, clean up the mess and deal with the less physical casualties. Some of them learn. They learn slower when they can point to the other side and declare that everybody does it, so they’ll stick with the side that appeals to their baser desires.
    Like the old snark goes, virtue has to be its own reward, because you’re sure not going to get rich off it.

  13. Patrick – Many thanks for you comment-one of the most insightful I have ever read about the uncivil war. Guy McClung, Texas

  14. the “cool kids” throw a big party, and the responsible ones pull out the casualties

    As long as the “cool kids,” or at least enough of them, do not have to feel the consequences of their own actions, destructive tendencies continue. The financial bailout of recent memory comes to mind.

  15. The financial bailout of recent memory comes to mind.

    The banks were given bridge loans which they paid back with interest. The parties which proved to be a money sink were AIG, some of the auto industry components, and the mortgage maws. AIG was the only one among them which wasn’t a Democratic Party client. B o A and Citigroup received special financing deals, which they were able to terminate ahead of schedule. In B o A’s case, they’d taken action to tamp down the crisis and swallowed to much in the way of toxic assets. The problem with this resolution was that all of the structural problems were left in place, more compliance costs were added, and new means for Democratic officials to extend favors to their clients were added.

  16. Is it just me or is ‘another civil war is just around the corner’ talk really ramping up of late? I see it more and more on some of the right-leaning blogs I frequent. Of course they insist that the Deplorables will win easily because they have all the guns and because they can cut off the evil blue cities from their food and water supplies. Maybe so, but the cities can also cut off rural residents from their jobs and their source of income, and also their sources of medical care and other essential services — not everyone who lives in “red” counties is a self-subsistent homesteader with a garden and a stockpile of food and ammunition, after all. So I wouldn’t get too cocky about that.

    I honestly don’t know what to make of all that chatter; is it a genuine reflection of public sentiment or just a bunch of hotheads with too much time on their hands trying to impress one another? Some wag recently said that 15 years ago, the internet was an escape from real life; now it’s the other way around!

  17. Is it just me or is ‘another civil war is just around the corner’ talk really ramping up of late?

    I saw three different posts on it yesterday.

    This one, one from Forward Observer that I was going to share until I read it and realized they assume politics is genetically determined and that “Amnesty” is inevitable as well as that polling on folks my age or younger is accurate, and a third linked at InstaPundit that I didn’t even click through…I seem to remember it was the standard “we will bury you” from a lefty.


    As far as tactics go, a lot of that stuff is actually handled in smaller towns, in no small part because of NIMBY laws. Imported items and gas are a bigger issue.

    I would guess it’s folks looking at history and remembering it rhymes…the guys who have been in power, and got that way from violent riots of the “youth,” having to do it again seldom ends well. Especially when the capital they used the first time hasn’t been replenished and there’s several different angles pushing for totalitarian prevention of bad think.

  18. As long as the “cool kids,” or at least enough of them, do not have to feel the consequences of their own actions, destructive tendencies continue.

    If we do anything or not, the portion that isn’t eaten will mostly get away with it until the entire structure collapses. So we can either try to save the folks that are chewed up and spat out, or just sit and wait for things to really go all to heck. Seeing as I have kids, the “let it go to heck” option is not mine, even before the tactical consideration that the prodigal son can learn his lesson and come home. (Makes me wonder if that hatred of the loyal son for being loyal, rather than for being mad they were having a party for his brother, should be its own parable. If only I could write….)

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