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One Drop Warren

 

 

I can only assume that Senator Elizabeth “Fauxcahontas” Warren (D.Ma.) wishes to resurrect the one drop rule of the Jim Crow South based upon her contention that the below qualifies her for American Indian status:

 

Bustamante calculated that Warren’s pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” That timing fits Warren’s family lore, passed down during her Oklahoma upbringing, that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was at least partially Native American.

Smith was born in the late 1700s. She identified as white in historical documents, though at the time Indians faced discrimination, and Smith would have had strong incentives to call herself white if possible.

The inherent imprecision of the six-page DNA analysis could provide fodder for Warren’s critics. If O.C. Sarah Smith were fully Native American, that would make Warren up to 1/32nd native. But the generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests she’s between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American. The report notes there could be missed ancestors.

 

In short Warren is a typical white whose family has been in this country for several generations.  Well, not quite typical.  If she is 1/1024, her low range according to the DNA test, Indian she has approximately half the Indian blood that most whites have.  None of this would be of importance, except that early in her career Warren was eager to claim Indian status.  This of course was, and remains, fraudulent, unless one assumes  that any Indian blood makes one an Indian.  If this is her belief than she is somewhat less racially enlightened than George Tillman, the brother of the racist Senator “Pitchfork” Ben Tillman (D.Sc), who stated in 1895 when the one drop rule was under consideration in South Carolina:

 

It is a scientific fact that there is not one full-blooded Caucasian on the floor of this convention. Every member has in him a certain mixture of… colored blood…It would be a cruel injustice and the source of endless litigation, of scandal, horror, feud, and bloodshed to undertake to annul or forbid marriage for a remote, perhaps obsolete trace of Negro blood. The doors would be open to scandal, malice, and greed.

“Pitchfork” Ben joined his brother in opposition to the one drop rule for the reasons his brother stated.

The fact that the Senator claimed Indian status at the beginning of her academic career is laughable at best, fraudulent at worst.  It speaks ill of her honesty, just as reviving this issue now speaks ill of her intelligence, assuming she is preparing for a White House run.  However, I do concede that Senator Warren is more Indian than the late Iron Eyes Cody, a member of the Sicilian branch of the Lakota.

Update:  The Cherokee Nation responds to this bad farce:

 

The Cherokee Nation responded to the results of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test on Monday, arguing that “a DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship.” The response came after the Democratic senator revealed that, based on tests, she has Native-American ancestry “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.”

“Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America,” Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. said in a press release.

“Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation,” Hoskin continued. “Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.”

 

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Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 1:26pm

She is less Indian than I am Scot.
She is less Indian than my wife is Hungarian.
Warren’s DNA should be tested for BS.

Mike Petrik
Mike Petrik
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 2:32pm

Before being (falsely) accused of speaking with forked tongue, Trump should just “pony” up and donate $1 million to this organization:

https://www.nrlc.org/outreach/ifl/

David WS
David WS
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 3:03pm

When Christopher C. landed and mistakenly called the natives India-ns, why didn’t someone correct him? Hundreds of years later, and no correction? Very strange.

Hold fast those POTUS run smoke signals. Here in MA, those of us who are still sane, are really really really hoping for an upset victory over Fauxahantus Chief Spreading-Bull this November.
Stranger things have happened.

Philip Nachazel
Philip Nachazel
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 3:21pm

David WS.

Prayers on the way!!
My mom, God rest her soul, was born and raised in Taunton Mass.
Graduate from all girls High School, St. Mary’s. She wouldn’t want me to cannonize her, but she was saintly while she had breath on earth.
May, if the Saints allow, she gather the heavenly team to help you get your wish come November! Failure for Spreading-Bull.
Peace and Red seat won in Massachusetts.

Art Deco
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 3:29pm

She had an ancestor a few generations back who lived in the old Indian Territory. I’d wager that’s how someone in her family got the idea they were descended from Indians (not realizing that the last time it was enumerated, the majority of those living in the Indian Territory were white).

Mary De Voe
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 4:58pm

My sister-in-law is one half Seminole. She said that a person must one quarter or .25% Native American Indian to be recognized for any status in the government.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 5:26pm

Trump ought to do his own dna test. I bet he’s as indian as she is.

CAM
CAM
Monday, October 15, AD 2018 8:54pm

Direct quote from Pocahontas: “As a kid, I never asked my mom for documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage. What kid would? But I knew my father’s family didn’t like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware, so my parents had to elope,” she said.
Paternal grandparents were bigots apparently.

Dc.Don Beckett
Dc.Don Beckett
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 12:44am

We have the same discussions here in NZ. My wife is 3/16 part Maori, though you’d never guess it. Intermarriage among indigenous peoples and the colonists was very common.
I had a good friend whom I worked with – a Maori named Pine (pronounced Peenay) Harrisn ( or Harihana for Maori transliteration), who used to tell the joke when some one asked him, “Hey Pine, do you have any Pakeha (white) blood in you?”
To which he would reply, ” yes, most certainly. My grandfather eat a few of them.” ( Maori used to practice cannibalism up to and after the coming of the colonists – but it is most un- PC today to mention it; any suggestion that Maori were anything but the epitome of “The Noble Savage” ist verboten. 😉

Stephen E Dalton
Stephen E Dalton
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 8:10am

A minor correction Don. It wasn’t Pitchfork Ben who made that remark about the one drop rule. It was his brother, who’s mame I can’t remember, who made that remark. Also, the one drop rule didn’t originate in the Jim Crow South. It was a Northern invention that the South adopted in the late 1890’s.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 9:11am

I’m honestly torn– in the first place, DNA doesn’t work that way*. DNA ancestry tests are basically bunk for anything beyond identifying “where populations with similar genes to yours are currently located.”

On the other, it wouldn’t be an issue if Warren hadn’t made it an issue.

Heck, my great-grandmother was either an Indian or half– sure can’t tell by looking at us, and the evidence we’ve got is photographic. She didn’t count as Indian because she didn’t live as an Indian. (Cousin H. has a white great-grandfather, but you sure can’t tell by looking at him– most of that branch of the family lives on the Rez, so they’re obviously registered.)

Mostly, picture me crossing my arms, hrumphing and saying “this is stupid.”

*Really short crash course: imagine you’ve got a population where all of the couples are Red married to Blue. Picture the genes as strings of beads. Before they go out to make the baby, the two strands of DNA beads split, and trade individual beads back and forth. If it’s solid red, doesn’t matter– the kids end up one side solid red, the other solid blue.
Thing is, next generation, their DNA strands split in two– and do the bead-switch, which makes each strand a mix of red and blue.
In theory, you could get kids that are anything from solid red to solid blue, although it will average out to the same as their parents. It’s the same way that siblings can have almost no shared genetics with their siblings, or be nearly identical (ignoring split cell twins).
Obviously, the average distribution doesn’t do much good for predicting individuals’ genetic makeup, since there’s no way to make sure that mostly-blue marries mostly-red.

William P. Walsh
William P. Walsh
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 12:20pm

She may have Indian DNA from 1/32 to 1/1024. if the former indicates ten generations back, what does the mathematics say if the latter in terms of generations? Go back far enough and such admixture might predate the Indian arrival in North America. Neanderthal DNA might have as much relevance. More the point, she is a full blooded Left wing radical.

CAM
CAM
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 2:06pm

On last night’s show Tucker Carlson sampled Warren’s recipe for cold crab omelets which she had contributed to the Pow Wow Chow Cookbook. As guest Howie Carr noted, “It probably wasn’t served on the Trail of Tears in the early 1800s.” The recipe is a reprint from the NY Times Cookbook.
After the dreadfulness of the Kavanaugh hearings, it’s nice to have some humor on the national scene.

Richard Wicks
Richard Wicks
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 6:36pm

Probably Elizabeth Warren DID believe she was part Native American, but still, this one drop rule is straight out of the KKK. Of course, the KKK was started by Democrats – I’m certain Robert Byrd would have approved.

Phillip
Phillip
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 6:42pm

My great grandmother was apparently full-blooded Yaqui. That would make me 12.5% Yaqui. I explored the possibility of joining the Yaqui tribe. They needed documented proof of 25% Yaqui heritage and not just the statement of my father. Did not pursue.

Warren is at best 1.5% and perhaps only .9%. What a joke.

Phillip
Phillip
Tuesday, October 16, AD 2018 7:38pm

Years later I took one of those DNA tests. Turns out I’m 30% Native American. Now where did all that other stuff come from?

Foxfier
Admin
Wednesday, October 17, AD 2018 9:19am

Turns out I’m 30% Native American. Now where did all that other stuff come from?

Fortunate gene-swaps coupled with happening to have a lot of the markers found in their sample of “Native American.”

Funny thing, that MIGHT indicate Jewish ancestry– apparently the vast majority of the “pure blood” Indians they’ve tested have markers indicating they share a single, male, Sephardic Jew ancestor.
North American there, not sure if anybody has done a Native American sample that is from Alaska to the far tip.

Art Deco
Wednesday, October 17, AD 2018 9:40am

She may have Indian DNA from 1/32 to 1/1024. if the former indicates ten generations back, what does the mathematics say if the latter in terms of generations?

Her sample’s range is 1/64 to 1/1024 – six to 10 generations back. (Ten generations back is what 23 and Me told my brother, FWIW). Warren was born in 1949, so some Amerindian entered her pedigree between 1650 and 1770, roughly speaking.

You can trace her family with Census returns. Her background is quite old stock American. Pretty much her entire pedigree was present by 1840 or thereabouts, prior to any ‘ethnic’ infusions into the American population. They were also ‘western’, resident in frontier zones or one step to the east of the frontier zone. However, the Amerindian ancestor would have lived during the colonial period, prior to any trans-Appalachian settlement.

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