Thursday, March 28, AD 2024 6:35pm

The Clinton Era Ends

 

And with that brief statement the Clinton era in American politics ends.  The Clinton era began in an odd way.  Bill Clinton got the Democrat nomination in 1992 largely because no major Democrat figure wanted it.  It was assumed by them that in the wake of the successful Gulf War of 1990-91, Bush was unbeatable.  Thus the obscure Governor of Arkansas got his unexpected chance for the limelight.  His candidacy was helped by several factors:  one party in power for three terms in the White House was a striking anomaly in the history of the country since the days of FDR and Truman;  the betrayal of Bush of his no new tax pledge; the overconfidence of the Bush team based on their big victory in 1988; and the crack pot vengeance campaign against Bush by H. Ross Perot.  Clinton was also helped by two factors:  a complete lack of any core convictions allowing him to be a total political chameleon, and preternatural political skills, only Reagan being in his league.  After his victory Bill, who seemed to be interested only in politics and bored by actual government, allowed his political partner wife to indulge her Leftism by making an attempt at national health insurance.  That largely led to the Republicans taking control of Congress for the first time since 1946.  Bill Clinton, the chameleon, responded by proclaiming the era of big government was over.  Republican control of Congress deprived Mrs. Clinton of the power to attempt to implement Leftist policies, and Bill won re-election in 1996, doing a service to the Republican party by dispatching to retirement one of the champions of RINO Republicanism, Bob Dole, who sleep-walked his way to defeat, while ever muttering that it was his turn.   Clinton did an inadvertent service to his own party by being caught out being serviced by an intern in the Oval Office, and having the Republicans fail in their attempt to remove him from office.  That act of overreaching almost got Bill Clinton’s Vice-President elected in 2000, tied in with overwhelming overconfidence on the part of the team of Bush the Younger, and the political malpractice of the Bush team in assuming his arrest for DUI would remain hidden.  So much for Bill Clinton.

His wife was rather the mirror image of Bill.  She was filled with Leftist political convictions, and had not a shred of his political abilities, as she amply demonstrated by losing to Obama in the Democrat primaries in 2008, almost losing to the socialist from Vermont in the Democrat primaries in 2016, a fate she only avoided by putting in the fix with the DNC, and being beaten by Donald Trump, a man she outspent two to one, and with almost all the media on her side.  Such political malpractice rises almost to an art form.  Oddly enough, one of the few prognosticators who saw her defeat coming was her husband Bill, who urged her to shore up her support among working-class whites.  Fortunately Madame Clinton paid no heed to her husband, and he was derided as an out of touch old white guy by the snot-nosed techno-nerds who ran her campaign into the ground.

I do confess to some mild surprise at this decision by Hillary.  In a fragmented race, I would place her no worse than even money to get the Democrat nomination.  Obviously the desire to be the first female president has been the guiding passion of her life, so why not run?  A few reasons I guess.  She would be 73 come election day next year, and her health problems, ill concealed in 2016, might well be devastating under the stress of a new campaign.  However, I suspect her main reason is the simple fear that Trump would beat her again.  This leaves only the desire for revenge, always a chief motivating factor in her life, by helping whoever gets the nomination to beat Trump.  I suspect such attempted aid by her would be more of a help for Trump, but that is a story for next year.

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Ezabelle
Ezabelle
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 6:30am

Well that’s good news. I love how you crossed out “wife” and wrote “political partner”. Made me laugh, thanks. Pardon me but she was more like his political Pimp…and in other ways! But in all seriousness, I suspect that it may not be the end of the Clintons altogether as her daughter Chelsea might emerge as a candidate in the future. With mummy by her side. What do you think?

Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 6:35am

Hillary Clinton is as evil a woman as was Queen Jezebel who arranged to have Naboth the Jezreelite murdered to confiscate his vineyard for her husband King Ahab (1st Kings 21). Her fate is well described in 2nd Kings 9:33-37. That God used deplorable dogs to teach a timeless lesson is so appropriate, and the irony is that Hillary considers Trump supporters to be no better than such deplorable dogs. Ain’t God wonderful? 😀

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 7:00am

The perfidious media picking up and repeating, ad nauseam, the Clinton campaign’s lie that an economic hiccup was the “worst economy in 50 years” didn’t help either.

And then there’s the whole thing with the media ignoring Clinton’s peccadilloes owing to guilt over being too hard on Gary Hart four years earlier.

Of course, Clinton, unlike Hart, had the good sense to pretend he didn’t know that they were pretending not to know.

ordinarycatholic
ordinarycatholic
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 7:27am

Not sure if it is so much the Gary Hart mea culpa or the fact that people associated with the Clinton’s seem to die untimely deaths…just saying….

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 8:34am

I have a suspicion Dr. Ted Noel is correct and she and her camarilla have been concealing a debilitating illness for some time. (Dr. Noel offers a caution that she isn’t his patient and neurology isn’t his specialty, but he offers point-by-point annotations of one video after another in which he advances the thesis that the observable anomaly in her behavior is an indicator of Parkinson’s; Noel believes she’s been ill for some time, which would suggest medications have been quite effective in her case).

Would take exception to some of your complaint. I’ve seen public opinion research which indicates that Ross Perot was drawing about equally off Clinton and Bush. He’s have to have drawn about 70% of his support from the Bush electorate for his totals to have been decisive. The electorate ca 1990 was much more fluid in its preferences than is the electorate today and roughly a quarter of it was no more than weakly aligned with one party nor another. Bush breaking the no-new-taxes pledge I’d wager may have affected Republican turn-out, but not other vectors. I’m not sure you’re appreciating the degree to which Perot collared votes from people fed up with the Washington establishment generally as manifest in chronic and unnecessary public sector borrowing.

One thing to note. Bush’s loss in public esteem was astonishingly large and rapid and did not take place co-incident with the tax deal, but later. The media acted as a press agent for the Democratic Party and misrepresented the economic situation with astonishing brazenness. You had a mild 8 month recession. Recovery in production began in April 1991; it was somewhat delayed in the labor market, not beginning until mid-1992. It was when the labor market began to turn around that Bush began a comeback in public approval.

BTW, Clinton had four notable competitors for the Democratic nomination. All of them were men whose ethical standards exceeded the Clintons and only one of the four (Tom Harkin) was a complete dud for other reasons. Two (Jerry Brown and Bob Kerrey) were head-and-shoulders above the Clintons in quality.

Partisan Democrats commonly smear Republicans of a certain vintage in regard to their service records (Hendrick Hertzberg’s one of the worst offenders for this). There have really only been three consequential presidential candidates in the last 60 years who had troublesome military service records: Pat Robertson (whose Senator father interceded with the Marine Corps to get his son a less lethal assignment), Bill Clinton (who conned a gatekeeper Army officer into issuing a dispensation which relieved him of his ROTC service obligations), and Bernie Sanders (who hired an attorney to press a bogus claim for conscientious objector status; the lawyer was able to gum up procedure so much that Sanders had aged out of draft eligibility ‘ere his draft board made a decision). Here in 1992 you had an honest-to-God draft dodger and he beats a decorated combat veteran (the Army officer Clinton had conned had been so incensed that he saved the correspondence and published it during the campaign). Just five years earlier, Gary Hart’s campaign had instantly imploded when he was caught in a comical instance of adultery; one of Clinton’s trashy mistresses was all over supermarket tabloids and it had no effect. Clinton’s victory was an indicator of cultural decay.

Philip
Philip
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 8:43am

I’d wish her a happy birthday if she wouldn’t of been such a destructive agent to those children who never had a happy birthday. I had to erase my second sentence….Lent is hours away.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 8:46am

doing a service to the Republican party by dispatching to retirement one of the champions of RINO Republicanism, Bob Dole,

Robert Dole was the Republican presidential candidate in 1996. He’s been the floor leader of the Senate Republican caucus for 11 years at that point. He defined what an authentic Republican politician was at that point in time. May disappoint you, but other Repubicans are voting for your disappointment. That aside, the American Conservative Union reported in 1996 that over a period of 25 years, he had voted in accord with their legislative preferences 91% of the time. (Hugh Scott, his predecessor once-removed as Republican floor leader, received a rating of 40% for the period running from 1971 through 1976). There are all sorts of things for which you can fault Robert Dole, but being some sort of stalking horse for the Democratic Party isn’t one of them.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 8:51am

That act of overreaching almost got Bill Clinton’s Vice-President elected in 2000, t

Must disagree. Satisfactory economic performance (including a balanced budget) accounts for Gore’s performance. A bloc of political scientists offered around that time a model of electoral performance for presidential candidates with economic and financial data as inputs which projected a 20-point Gore landslide. Gore under-performed.

Philip
Philip
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 8:53am

November birthday! Oops.

It’s a gift to America, her quitting the idea of President. “Broken promises,” of Trump’s presidency, administration. (?)
What a chump.

She is a nasty woman.

A bad person.

An accomplice in the killing of millions of innocent children.

A rag.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 8:58am

Chelsea’s had an unfortunate tendency to allow herself to be conscripted into her parents’ grift. You figure the next move of the Clinton camarilla is Chelsea-for-Congress? She lives in the 12th district of New York, whose current representative will be 74 years old in 2020.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 9:00am

At the time I wondered if Gore lost because the DNC was too busy getting Hillary elected to the Senate to bother with keeping the White House.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 9:01am

or the fact that people associated with the Clinton’s seem to die untimely deaths…just saying….

Honestly, these people are bad enough without being tagged with fanciful notions that they employ hit squads.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 9:04am

As for Chelsea, I kind of hope she’s too busy being a mother to her children to bother with politics.

dynastic political families in electoral politics is another sign of that decay Art mentioned.

GUY MCCLUNG
GUY MCCLUNG
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 9:09am

The Evilgizer Rabbit is not gone. I learned in the US Army, you don’t believe a thing is going to happen until three days after it has happened. Remember Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove? He could not prevent his left arm from naturally rising in the National Socialist salute? It is the same with HRH H.R. Clinton and her arrogant political hubris. She is not out of the race and even the one in 2024 until we sing an In Paradisum. Or a “Ding, dong . . .” Guy McClung, Texas

ps-All: cease the use of “Nazi” – they were National Socialists

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 9:11am

*cold induced sniffling*
Hey, I am a snot-nosed techno geek, and I sadly cannot take credit for Clinton sinking her campaign.

Probably has more to do with the decades of teaching schoolkids that they will be punished, viciously, for saying the politically incorrect thing screwing up the polls, so they couldn’t manufacture enough votes.

Mary De Voe
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 10:10am

Happy Birthday to all the unborn children Hillary Clinton had murdered.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 10:25am

At the time I wondered if Gore lost because the DNC was too busy getting Hillary elected to the Senate to bother with keeping the White House.

Don’t think so. The Democratic Party influentials (donors, elected officials) just handed her the nomination on a platter. The suburban Republican she defeated (a member of Congress) performed only marginally better than the Republican donor put up as a pro-forma opponent for Daniel Patrick Moynihan six years earlier. Surprisingly, Mr. Lazio collecting half-again as much campaign cash as HRC. She got some soft-money from the DNC, but it was a contextually modest sum.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 10:29am

dynastic political families in electoral politics is another sign of that decay Art mentioned.

Not sure it’s any worse than it ever was. So and so many Tafts, so and so many Roosevelts. The Bushes are more durable. The thing is, the Bush family is a patrician outfit for whom the 3d generation syndrome has never quite set in. That’s not the norm.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 10:37am

and ensured that they would turn out en masse even for a lackluster dud like Gore, and it was almost enough to get him to the White House.

I’m not seeing much indication of discontent with Gore within the Democratic Party in 2000. He had only one opponent of note, who did not win a single state. Gallup polling undertaken between 1997 and 2000 did not identify a prospective opponent anywhere near him in public preferences.

Anzlyne
Anzlyne
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 10:49am

I can’t help looking at that young photo of her and wonder about how the twig was bent and the tree inclined. She was undoubtedly as earnest and open as the millions of young Americans are today

Like : “ cease the use of “Nazi” – they were National Socialists”

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 11:12am

His political success was largely a legacy from his father in Tennessee,

His political start was. Gore Jr never had a close election in Tennessee bar the primary he won in 1976 to compete for his first term. His father as a member of the House did not either, but a series of Republican opponents broke 30% (in Middle Tennessee, ca. 1944), something they didn’t manage against the son. Two of the father’s four statewide campaigns were difficult; not the son’s. Prior to about 1962, Republicans were not competitive in Middle or West Tennessee, and had won only a scatter of Congressional contests over an 80 year period.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 11:34am

Hillary has always reminded me of Nixon in her lust for power, and her inability to connect with people on a human level.

Contrary thesis: Nixon was a status-anxious man who sought recognition. Unlike HRC, he wasn’t the sort to be rude to service personnel. He ranted in office settings, but around, not at, particular individuals. He disliked personal confrontation. Wm. Rogers remained in office for seven months after Nixon had indicated his departure would be welcome, because Rogers paid no mind to requests relayed through intermediaries.

In spite of the best efforts of Judith Viorst and others to advance the thesis that undemonstrative people covertly despise each other, there isn’t much indication of pathology in Nixon’s family life. Nixon and Eisenhower are the only presidents in the last 80-odd years whose adult children caused them no embarrassment. Nixon had a short list of friends, but those friends were intimate and loyal. He was the odd man for whom familiarity did not breed contempt – the people closest to him thought the most highly of him.

At the same time, Nixon had a broad public constituency. I don’t understand it myself. The Vice Presidency was, from 1804 to 1956, not a stepping stone to the Presidency bar in the case of the President’s death; prior to 1890, VPs who succeeded to the office were not nominated for subsequent electoral contests. Only four VPs ever stood for a general election in those years, and two of them did so as 3d party candidates while a 3d did so as the candidate of the Southern faction of a hopelessly deadlocked Democratic Party. Yet, Nixon was handed the Republican nomination on a platter in 1960, in spite of Eisenhower’s skeptical view of him. He was nominated for that office 3x with scant opposition. He connected with people close and with people far away, but not much in-between.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 12:20pm

At that time Dole had been in Congress for 36 years. He was the very epitome of the Republican status quo politician who doomed the party to being the Avis of the American political world until the Gingrich, who Dole despised, led landslide in 1994. Gingrich had his number back in 1985 when he dubbed Dole the tax collector for the welfare state.

No doubt Dole and Gerald Ford were unimaginative men who thought in terms of the various and sundry small items on which this and that congressional committee were working. Same deal with Robert Michel. Robert Kuttner wrote a generation ago that one of Ronald Reagan’s strengths was that he was a hedgehog, not a fox. His political thought was hierarchical, from foundational to subsidiary principles. He didn’t need some report from the GAO to know what he thought about a government program. Gingrich is also an idea-man. The irony of Dole’s life is that the man supposedly worked witlessly long hours and neglected his family because of it. (Phyillis Dole once offered that he’d had dinner at home with her and their daughter just once in the year before he appeared one day and told her he wanted a divorce). Just how did anyone benefit from the 80-odd hours a week he put in at his office?

As for Gingrich’s specific crack, that’s pithy, but it begs the question. You cannot finance the government without collecting taxes and you’re best advised to not attempt to rely on the bond market forever and ever. The bulk of ‘the welfare state’ is in the form of the big five: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, and unemployment compensation. These programs can be problematic in terms of their costs, but not so much in terms of their social effects, and it’s doubtful that Gingrich or Reagan ever did more than entertain the idea of eliminating them. The troublesome or gratutious programs are the smaller stuff; eliminating those may be a good idea, but it’s going to have only a modest effect on overall public sector spending and the tax take.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 12:27pm

She somehow recognized in him the power to rise to the top through his charisma.

IIRC, Max Weber coined the term ‘charisma’ to describe rare inspirational gifts – e.g. Buddha and Christ. Clinton has salesmanship, not charisma. And some of his sales talent is to induce people to be amused and flattered that he’s conning them. Other working politicians who’ve spent time with him privately have remarked at how talented he is at working the registers, something they wished they could do but cannot. Part of the talent is that he gets what he wants even though you can see him working them.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 12:33pm

Like many liberals she detested Nixon, although Nixon was actually closer to them in most of his views than he was to conservatives.

Spiro Agnew went to the 1964 Republican convention as a Rockefeller delegate, in Theodore McKeldin’s delegation. Both men when you got down to brass tacks were somewhere between the temporizing 1950s ‘modern Republican’ and the bourgeois liberal Republican. However, both men were celebrants, not critics, of American culture and society. And Agnew in particular was not deferential to certain memes and tropes and mascots. He was an acerbic man, in public and in private.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 12:37pm

Read Joe Maginnes and Garry Wills descriptions of Nixon and Agnew, respectively. (Wills lifted much of his text from a Time magazine profile of Agnew, but was never busted for plagiarism). It’s doubtful that either Maginnes or Wills was capable of telling the difference between a character out of Sinclair Lewis imagination and a flesh and blood human being. Contrast with Wills assessments of Jesse Jackson 20-odd years later.

Penguins Fan
Penguins Fan
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 2:22pm

I will believe the Clintons are permanently out of politics only after six feet of dirt is permanently placed above them. Chelsea has enough money to never want for anything. Bill Clinton grew up poor and Hilary grew up in the 1950s and 1960s middle class. Money meant as much as power to them.
Ironically, Bill Clinton ran as a New Democrat, one not beholden to leftist loonybird ideology. So, how’s that working out for Bill Clinton?

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 2:29pm

Honestly, these people are bad enough without being tagged with fanciful notions that they employ hit squads.

Which is a great rhetorical rebuttal of something nobody said.

O.C. noted the well known and objectively verifiable tendency for people who might be inconvenient to the Clintons turning up dead, frequently by suicide or robberies where they can’t seem to find anything missing.

If you are going to declare noticing that to be an invocation of “hit squads,” you’re going to have to deal with a lot of other situations, nation wide, because it’s simply not that uncommon…for folks who are involved in “questionable” company. It’s just odd for people who make it high up in politics. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a similar pattern around, say, Harry Reid, based off of the historically objectively known prevalence of organized crime in high positions of power, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it in a politician say here in El Paso, because of the relative nearness of the Cartels. (although those would likely be “vanished on a day trip to Juarez,” not the famous variations like “shot himself after burning all his papers” or “shot herself with packed bags in the next room” or “committed suicide the day after publicly announcing he was going public.”)

It’s not news that the Clintons are dirty. The only question is if the unusual deaths around them are because of the company they keep, or in protection of the interests of those they associate with. Only complete idiots would have the Clintons actually KNOW any sort of details about the amazingly lucky suicides, and people who will work with the corrupt are usually not THAT stupid.

It would be like insisting we should have an official memo from Obama to the IRS: “Hey, guys, officially, do not investigate anybody who donates to me, and audit the heck out of this list of people.”
Even the Russians aren’t that lame.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 2:44pm

From poking around at various online dictionaries, it seems that ‘charisma’ already existed as a term in theology, to describe someone with a gift from the Holy Spirit; Weber grabbed it to use for someone with that gift that makes people follow them, rather than traditional or rational authority. Strictly speaking, his theory only required the person be “extraordinary.”

Kind of like “meme,” the word escaped the philosophy and went feral.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 2:47pm

Bill Clinton grew up poor and Hilary grew up in the 1950s and 1960s middle class. Money meant as much as power to them.

Not in context, he didn’t. His mother was a skilled worker (nurse-anaesthetist) and his step-father worked in one of the Clinton family’s clutch of businesses (there was a car dealership and an auto parts store, among other things). There were just two children in that family and Virginia Cassidy [fill in married name] had the help of relatives in caring for her son.

Arkansas has long been one of the more impecunious states (ca. 1977, real income levels were about 30% below national means) and small towns are less affluent than cities, ’tis true.

ordinarycatholic
ordinarycatholic
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 2:50pm

” You figure the next move of the Clinton camarilla is Chelsea-for-Congress? She lives in the 12th district of New York, whose current representative will be 74 years old in 2020.”

I don’t see that happening. HRC may have shall we say questionable morals, but she is not stupid. Chelsea is not the of the same caliber politically as her mother is or even Bill. In the few forays into the public arena Chelsea has shown herself to be so far out of her league that it makes her throwing her hat in the ring laughable and her mother knows it. She doesn’t show the same ambition or even the same lust for power her mother exhibits.Those few public appearances by Chelsea were trial balloons and they were summarily popped.

Art Deco
Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 2:56pm

Ironically, Bill Clinton ran as a New Democrat, one not beholden to leftist loonybird ideology.

Again, the only one of Clinton’s opponents who might have been considered a sectary was Tom Harkin. Jerry Brown at 54 was eccentric in various ways, but substantively mainstream. Harkin was more of a the-interests-are-scr*wing-farmers-and-workers sectary than a the-Man-be-scr*wing-black-folks sectary. Less troublesome.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 2:57pm

Ironically, Bill Clinton ran as a New Democrat, one not beholden to leftist loonybird ideology.

Again, the only one of Clinton’s opponents who might have been considered a sectary was Tom Harkin. Jerry Brown at 54 was eccentric in various ways, but substantively mainstream. Harkin was more of a the-interests-are-scr**ing-farmers-and-workers sectary than a the-Man-be-scr**ing-black-folks sectary. Less troublesome.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 3:04pm

Foxfier, the only ‘convenient’ death I can think of was James McDougal, a 57 year old man with heart trouble, and as far as I can tell, that was medical professionals not being conscientious, something that’s common as dirt.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 3:41pm

Art-
then you decided to jump in the middle of OC without even vague knowledge of the situation or attempting to inform yourself; even Snopes’ debunking managed to find a longer list of suicides, plane crashes and “shot during a robberies” than that.
You didn’t even think of Vince Foster? (suicide, mimicking the one from ‘A Few Good Men’, was supposed to testify; the nasty rumor guys say he was Chelsea’s father, not Bill)
Or the intern killed when the coffee shop she was manager at was robbed– but they left the money in the till?
Or the much more recent “botched robbery” thing for Seth Rich, that brought it all back up? (Heck, that one is even all over the news again today.)

Good heavens, even vaguely hanging out in political circles is enough to hear the “committed suicide by shooting himself twice in the back of the head, then politely moved himself to the middle of a park and cleaned his shoes” snark.
(It’s a compilation of odd points noted by various [official] investigators of different deaths of those associated with Clinton, for those wondering.)

In all probability, it’s just because they associate with nasty folks and are willing to do massively illegal things as long as they don’t get punished. That is going to have much higher risks than J. Random Dude.
Sort of like firearm homicides; the vast majority of those who die are gang members killed by gang members while actively doing gang member stuff, but a non-gang member who isn’t doing gang-member stuff is more likely to be shot if he’s in a “bad” (gang member and activity heavy) neighborhood.

ordinarycatholic
ordinarycatholic
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 3:42pm

I don’t really believe she is out of the running. When she was asked if she was a hundred percent sure of not running for the 2020 election she only said.”I’m not running.” Technically she isn’t running for the presidency, but her answer does not exclude a run for the presidency. Parse her answer and the question. Her answer is no answer. This is typical Clintonese.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 3:45pm

You didn’t even think of Vince Foster?

He committed suicide. Four separate investigations were conducted of his death and they all reached the same conclusion. I cannot see how his death was ‘convenient’ for anyone.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 4:30pm

Art-
the witness committing suicide shortly before taking the stand is a pretty obvious example for “convenient.”

Given the usual pattern is playing out, again, I’ll consider the point made and leave it at that. Feel free (not that I could justly stop you) to keep on.

Foxfier
Admin
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 4:31pm

OC-
Sadly, you do have a point. She could stand in the wings waiting for a total collapse in the “run ALL the people!” tactic, allowing her to sweep in and pick everything up without being watched.

Dave Griffey
Dave Griffey
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 5:01pm

Regarding the 92 election, it’s worth noting that I remember a televised media roundtable hosted by Ted Koppel in 1993. It was late that year, because I was in Louisville by that time. It was about the press coverage of the election, and it concluded – and Keppel admitted – that the press had given a higher amount of coverage to the Clinton/Gore ticket than Bush. This went against the assumption that the sitting president in an election had an automatic advantage in getting free press coverage that would tip the scales in his favor. Didn’t mean the incumbant would win, but that he would have more coverage being the sitting president. 1992 broke that, and the press – that night at least – admitted that they gave more coverage to the Clintons than Bush. I’m sure that also factored into the loss. It was also when I remember thinking that the press might not be as square up honest and unbiased as they said, despite the assurances that the extra coverage of the Clintons was just cosmic coincidence.

Art Deco
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 6:37pm

the witness committing suicide shortly before taking the stand is a pretty obvious example for “convenient.”

Who was on trial?

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Tuesday, March 5, AD 2019 8:48pm

Ken Starr concluded that Vince Foster committed suicide. If you dig a little into Al Kresta’s program archive, you can hear him discuss it.

Ordinarycatholic
Ordinarycatholic
Wednesday, March 6, AD 2019 10:55am

Ah, just as I thought. Now Clinton said she was misunderstood when she said she wasn’t running. I could just feel it in my bones. The beast rises yet again…

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