Horror in New Zealand

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Jesus wept:

 

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand (AP) — At least 49 people were killed in mass shootings at two mosques full of worshippers attending Friday prayers in an attack broadcast in horrifying, live video by an immigrant-hating white nationalist wielding at least two assault rifles and a shotgun.

One man was arrested and charged with murder, and two other armed suspects were taken into custody while police tried to determine what role they played.

“It is clear that this can now only be described as a terrorist attack,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said, noting that many of the victims could be migrants or refugees.

She pronounced it “one of New Zealand’s darkest days.”

 

Go here to read the rest.  May their souls rest in peace.  Ocasio-Cortez wasted no time:

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is getting lambasted online for immediately condemning “thoughts and prayers” in the wake of the New Zealand mosque massacre that left at least 49 worshipers dead.

Just after midnight Friday, the Democratic darling tweeted a clip of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern saying that her “thoughts” were with the victims and families of the shooting in Christchurch.

“At 1st I thought of saying, ‘Imagine being told your house of faith isn’t safe anymore.’ But I couldn’t say ‘imagine.’ Because of Charleston. Pittsburgh. Sutherland Springs,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote. “What good are your thoughts & prayers when they don’t even keep the pews safe?”

The phrase “thoughts and prayers” has long been derided by gun control advocates, who say it rings hollow in the absence of more stringent laws.

Some were quick to accuse her of being disrespectful.

“This is incredibly insensitive to my muslim brothers and sisters who were slain in cold blood while they were literally praying because they want to be closer to their creator and they want to become better people,” replied Siraj Hashmi.

“Yes the one way to show empathy for people murdered at their place of worship is to mock prayer,” another person responded.

 

Go here to read the rest.  If your first thought upon hearing about  a massacre like this is how to make political hay out of it, you need to take a very long and hard look in the mirror.

 

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37 Comments

  1. If we drill down into this college admissions bribery/cheating scandal, I bet we strike oil Ocasio-Cortez eventually.

    Or maybe she’s just an old-fashioned legacy admit?

  2. It was not me. I will not be punished for a crime I didn’t commit.

    Forty-nine murdered worshippers is a tragedy. Seventy-three million dead babies is a statistic.

    Left-wing lunatic knee-jerk reaction: “Round up the usual suspects.” That includes President Trump; every heterosexual, white male; the NRA; . . .

    Then, the left-media breathlessly spends 72 hours waving their bloody shirts.

  3. I am sorry for the murdered and for their left behind family and friends. I pray God has mercy on their souls, whether Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, whatever. I pray for the consolation of the people who have to pick up their lives after this. And I pray Genesis 9:6 is rewarded to the murderer who did this, whether he is a white supremacist or a leftwing nutjob.

    But T. Shaw is right. 49 is a tragedy, 73 million is a statistic. We ought to be in fear of God because He won’t stay His holy hand forever.

  4. If we drill down into this college admissions bribery/cheating scandal, I bet we strike oil Ocasio-Cortez eventually.
    Or maybe she’s just an old-fashioned legacy admit?

    I think you’re on the wrong thread. [BTW, Sergio Ocasio Roman was born in the Bronx and worked as an architect: typical compensation for architects is higher than that for schoolteachers and lower than that for pharmacists. The family home was located in an exurban township at the northern extremity of Westchester County and can be seen on Zillow. It’s an ordinary one-storey suburban tract house. He died intestate, which isn’t something conscientious people do, nor something people with assets do.]

  5. Truly a sad event. Thank goodness we have twitter for idiots on all sides to extend the battle and engage in political mop up.

  6. A very tragic day. Evil begets evil, violence begets violence. NZ has been thankfully free of terrorism – until now. There have been a couple of potential jihadist terror threats which have been foiled by the police. The Masjid Al Noor mosque was known for a radical Immam 10 or 12 years ago, and it was suspected that the shooter in the Sydney Australia incident in the Chocolate cafe several years ago was radicalised in the Al Noor Christchurch mosque. There was also an incident at the Avondale, Auckland mosque several years ago where Sunni & Shia members were struggling for supremacy, but again, the police moved in and sorted it – I think a couple of them went to jail.
    With the many Muslim Jihadist attacks around the world focusing mainly on Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, we have been expecting some sort of terror attack in NZ for some years. So in place, we have a crazy white supremacist attack. It’s no excuse, but the example has been set by the Muslim extremists and this reaction is the result.
    A shameful day for humanity and a dark day for NZ.

  7. *sorrow*
    I hate hearing about these folks dying, and imagining being there, totally helpless because good people follow the law, so the murderer doesn’t even have to worry about return fire.

  8. Indeed. At the other mosque a brave soul charged the gunman but was slain before he could get to him. In such a horrendous situation better, at least for grown men, to die charging, trying to protect the women and kids.

  9. Miss Cortez would not know this since she apparently believes, like all Communists, that the sun rises at the top of her head and sets at the souls of her feet, but we pray that God will have mercy on the souls of the deceased and comfort the their loved ones who morn their passing. He never promised us freedom from harm in a place of worship. If that were so they would be at full occupancy at every moment. She is an ignorant, cruel, and stupid woman.

  10. He never promised us freedom from harm in a place of worship.

    Amen.
    Would’ve made going to Mass a bit more interesting, when I was little, if I knew those old gentlemen acting as usher were in the job established to fight off vicious physical attacks by those trying to destroy the body of Christ. (Minor order; no longer in effect, but what a rich history.)

  11. Within 20 seconds, the totalitarian left [redundant] deployed, politicized, and weaponized the NZ tragedy in its everlasting war against free speech and anybody with the temerity to hold a different opinion.

    In conclusion, no one with a brain (precludes Dems and liberals) is surprised by AOC’s verbal attack on “thoughts.”

  12. The National Socialist party viewed Jews as nothing more than scum. Death to all Jews. Group identification leading to slaughter. Remembering Auschwitz and the innocents whose only guilt was that of being Jewish…nuckingfutz indeed.

  13. A year ago the diocese had training for lay men and women volunteers regarding on how to spot suspicious activity in the church and on church property, and if there were an incident what steps to take. Also preventative actions. Apparently this was based on cases in other dioceses. E.g., a priest badly beaten on the altar by an angry man because he had read about a molestation case involving another priest elsewhere, arson, serious vandalism, etc.
    Some churches have installed discreet cameras.

  14. Group Identity requires all sovereign persons to acknowledge the sovereign person’s free will consent, choice, to belong to, to stay or to leave any group and his informed consent to be acknowledged as a member of the group. It is his privacy.

  15. I doubt that that AOC lady “prays” or “thinks”.

    A horrible day for Christchurch who have only started to get their city back on its feet after the devestating earthquake 10 years ago. Very sad to hear of these senseless, innocent deaths particular a 3 year old boy Mucad Ibrahim.

    The fear now would be retaliation attacks on places of worship. Around the world.

    My observances have been of the political leaders response, notably our own Australian Foreign Minister Melinda Payne, who stood in solidarity on the evening news with the Muslim heads in our country- one of the shooters is a 28 year old “white” Australian man from country Grafton, Australia. The smirking Iman shook the hand of the Prime Minister Morrison and the men around him but only acknowledged Payne by bowing his head and she responded the same. Imans who refused to meet with the PM a year ago to try and tackle extremism within their own Mosques and communities. Now they are gloating and riding their high horses because their people are the victims. And resentment brews under the surface of our “integrated” society from all sides. Watch this space.

    And we are expected to seamlessly assimilate the Muslim religion into the fabric of our democratic western society. And not flinch whilst doing it.

    O.k

  16. Ezabelle wrote “And we are expected to seamlessly assimilate the Muslim religion into the fabric of our democratic western society.”
    A fundamental principle of “democratic Western society” is that “No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, even his religious ones [mêmes religieuses” (Declaration of the Rights of Man)

    However, this freedom is an internal freedom; as Rachida Dati, Minister of Justice (garde des Sceaux) and herself a Muslim, explained during the debates on « l’affaire du voile » in France over the wearing of the hijab by Muslim girls in public schools. She explained that “Pupils’ freedom of conscience, which is an internal freedom, in no way gives them ‘the right to express and manifest their religious beliefs’ in educational institutions, for that involves external acts which improperly introduce religion into the public domain of the school.”

    Similarly, a challenge to the law on religious freedom grounds was dismissed in a single sentence: “but considering that the law of 15 March 2004 is concerned with actions, not opinions, for this reason [par ce motif] rejects…”

    Religion poses no threat to a democratic society, so long as the State and Civil Society, l’espace public and l’espace privé are kept distinct and separate. Religious and cultural activities belong to l’espace privé.

  17. My AOC story.

    Two or three times each year five of us couples (mostly Italian-Americans – me the only 100% non) go to restaurants (Italian, usually).

    Last night, we traveled to the Bronx: The Pine on 1913 Bronxdale Ave. Lo and behold – begosh and begorrah – AOC was there eating with two hispanachicas. The majority–minority (her district) imbeciles, looters and moochers were beside themselves.

    Observation: she doesn’t sit straight in a chair. It’s like she has no spine. We know she has no brains.

  18. ““However, this freedom is an internal freedom””

    “By that very low standard there was complete freedom of religion in the Soviet Union.”
    ““However, this freedom is an internal freedom”” “By this very low standard,” Jesus Christ, the revelation of God is unlawful in the public square.

  19. “They” don’t apply their “standards” to Muslims.

    Media crickets. This past week, when (now) 50 Muslims were killed in NZ, 50 Christians were slaughtered in Nigeria by Muslims. In three weeks, the Nigeria Christian KIA/body count is 120.

    This is not about freedom. It’s about the leftist agenda briefly: “Why I Hate West Civilization.”

  20. Group identity always results in the murder of innocent persons

    True, though a bit of a re-phrased Taoism.
    A group identity means avoiding true/moral guilt or innocence, which is individual, thus it will inevitably either involve the fatal punishment for group-status of those who are innocent, or prevent the punishment of those who are evil when they target those outside of the group.

    There’s a reason that the whole bit about a son not being guilty of the sins of his father, nor a father for his son’s, was so revolutionary.

  21. MPS-
    isn’t that a foundational document of the French Revolution, rather than Western Democracies?
    Based on the fruits, I’d be cautious in using that fertilizer. (And that’s before looking at some of the other “rights.”)

  22. “However, this freedom is an internal freedom”

    By that very low standard there was complete freedom of religion in the Soviet Union.

    Putting on my Howard Johnson hat here. Nietzsche some Stoic or other said something about internal freedom being the only true freedom because it was the only kind that couldn’t be taken away from you.

    That said:

    Religion poses no threat to a democratic society, so long as the State and Civil Society, l’espace public and l’espace privé are kept distinct and separate. Religious and cultural activities belong to l’espace privé.

    I think it can be argues that democratic society offers a threat to religion. Simply because in a democratic society, the state and civil society collapse into each other. the Public square is a naked one because we vote to strip off the trappings of civil society, starting with the religious ones. The result is the sad spectacle of perverts fornicating in the streets of San Francisco, while believers keep their religion in the bedroom, where they practice it with the lights turned off and the curtains drawn.

  23. Foxfier

    It protects above all the freedom to hold an inner conviction in the face of any kind of ideological influence or investigation by the state, including the right of non-disclosure. The European Court of Human Rights has developed an elaborate jurisprudence on the subject, under the rubric of the “forum internum.”

    Thus, if one is taken into hospital in France, one will never be asked one’s religion; however, one will be asked if one would like a visit from M. L’Aumonier (The Almoner – the name for the Catholic chaplain)

  24. How gracious of them to recognize the right to not be mind-controlled… though I can’t help but notice they don’t mind punishing those who express, even verbally, stances which are counter to the state.
    Which makes sense, since speaking a belief would, indeed, be an action.

    Which is in keeping with the mindset for most of the rest of the list; no wonder they didn’t want to cover it in school, it looks like a perfect road-map for bending all things to the service of the all-mighty state and folks might start to raise eyebrows about “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state” type things.

  25. “A fundamental principle of “democratic Western society” is that “No one shall be disquieted on account of his opinions, even his religious ones”

    Well arent they lucky. That’s because our Democratic western society is based on Christian principles. It is no coincidence that countries with a Muslim population are ruled with an iron fist. Islam is not Western. Islam is not Democratic. Therefore it does not function properly in a democratic western society. Because it does not integrate or have fundamental
    respect for anything above Islam, not even the laws of the country it is meant to be abiding to. It’s fundamental principles are oppressive and forceful- rule and die by the sword. It’s goal is to convert any land or people in inhabits.
    Islam works in opposition the the fundamentals of Democratic Western Society.

  26. To slightly rephrase Ezabelle, Christianity has a place for morally licit but not explicitly Christian governments, a sort of “don’t start nothin’ won’t be nothin'” stance; Islam doesn’t. They hold that Islam must be formally in charge, it would be like the Romans expecting Christian and Jews to just give the basic dang offerings to local gods, don’t make waves. /sad

    There are a few groups in Islam who have so interpreted it that they can function, and do well without harming others, in America.
    They’re looked at as sort of the Mormons of Islam, but short of converting to the Church, I think it’s a great idea.

  27. “There are a few groups in Islam who have so interpreted it that they can function, and do well without harming others”
    There are good Muslims. There are good Athiests too. But from a political point of view even these good Muslims know that even if they integrate and live in peace, the idea is conversion through attrition. Conversion over a long period of time in numbers. The method is much more patient and long term. But the principle of converting the land and people to Islam is still the main objective amongst Muslims. Test a liberal Muslim, one that says he doesn’t practice – offer him a bacon sandwich or a beer. Even these liberal peaceful Muslims always have their loyalty to their Islamic faith above any other loyalty. And in most cases it is only a matter of time before they revert to a more fundamental way of practicing their faith. My parents who grew up with Muslim friends in the 50’s and 60’s in Lebanon attest to this. Once the Khomeini came to Power, everything changed. Islam has done this time and again throughout its history- a lunatic leader rises to power to remind its followers of their loyalty; to fulfill its purpose. This is why in our Democratic Western society, Islam’s loyalty will always be solely to Islam- a religion which is based on oppression. Islam will always be a threat to our western democratic principles.

  28. I want to convert them, too. As long as they try to do it by talking, or by living an example and growing their family, well…I don’t wish them luck, but I will defend them against harm.

    Test a liberal Muslim, one that says he doesn’t practice – offer him a bacon sandwich or a beer.

    If they’re actually one of the homicidal ones, they’ll be able to take that. Same way the 9/11 guys were drinking and whoring before they suicided to kill thousands, they hold any sin is allowable for the goal.

    Humans aren’t perfect, or humanly perfectable; only God can do that, and He only will do that with the individual’s permission and hard work.

  29. “I will defend them against harm.” That comes from your Christian principles. We are all created in His image and likeness. Whoever we are what ever we believe. Killing another is a sin for us. For Muslims, if it serves the agenda of Islam, it guarantees them a place in paradise.

    “Same way the 9/11 guys were drinking and whoring before they suicided to kill thousands, they hold any sin is allowable for the goal.”

    Yep crazy. One time Dad and Mum went to visit Muslim family friends. The man offered Dad a drink- a beer. Dad accepted thankfully, and was drinking it and enjoying a nice conversation. Then the doorbell rang, the mans wife answered, it was another Muslim family coming to visit. The man of the house ran and took the beer bottle from Dad and quickly put it in the kitchen and apologised to Dad saying Muslims were over and he didn’t want to cause scandal that he was serving alcohol. Dad was p$&ssed off and insulted- we would never behave like this to visiting guests. But this is the hypocrisy of Islam. It’s very Machiavellian.

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