The above video features Dave Rubin, a homosexual former Leftist, who still holds many liberal, in the contemporary sense of the word, views. That he has found a home among conservatives, and is now viciously attacked by the Left, tells you all you need to know about where tolerance truly exists on the current American political scene.
But isn’t Dave Rubin actually Libertarian and NOT Conservative, and isn’t he still homosexual? And isn’t he of Jewish descent and NOT white European descent? Doesn’t Antifa do ANY research on its potential victims? The answer is no. That’s why sadly the only appropriate response because the Second Amendment. God save us all!
“That’s why sadly the only appropriate response because the Second Amendment.”
No, the appropriate response is speech and debate. One hideous Civil War was more than enough for this nation.
“Libertarian” is one of the magic words that too many Antifa are sympathetic with– although their libertarians are more, oh how can I put it, in line with the people the Libertarian Party keeps nominating than the philosophy, with added gun confiscation and an acceptable compromise. I wouldn’t be shocked if some of these thugs consider themselves libertarians.
One hideous Civil War was more than enough for this nation.
Not up to us. “In YOUR HANDS, my fellow countrymen…” and all that.
Antifa are rather loosely-wired vulgarians with a tenuous connection to the labor force. They’re consequential because local police refuse to enforce laws against disorderly conduct, harassment, affray, and assault. Some of it is just the general lassitude of our court system, which vies with the public schools for the title of ‘Least Impressive American Institution’. Some of it is indubitably politically motivated as judges and even prosecutors take their cues from their social circle and police are under instruction from leftoid politicians to enforce laws in a selective and sectarian manner.
These people are Melissa Click’s muscle. Now, ask yourselves about the people whose bidding they are doing, and you realize our professional-managerial stratum is deeply corrupt. It used to be just the academy and the bar; now it’s pretty much everywhere. And I don’t think ‘speech and debate’ will make much of a dent in the problem.
“And I don’t think ‘speech and debate’ will make much of a dent in the problem.” That’s my point. Wish however Donald were right.
“And I don’t think ‘speech and debate’ will make much of a dent in the problem.”
It better Art. The last time it didn’t in this country we had 750k Americans killed, millions more wounded, many maimed for life, and a quarter of the country devastated. A contemporary civil war would be a fight between urban centers and the rest, with racial animosities tossed in. With modern weaponry the body count from such a conflict would likely make our first civil war look like a minor disturbance in comparison.
To my grief some idiots among the Democrats are working overtime to bring about a civil war:
Tlaib told Detroit constituents at her “Congress, Coffee, and Conversation” event on Tuesday that lawmakers are focused on how best to take cabinet members into custody. “This is the first time we’ve ever had a situation like this,” she said. “So they’re trying to figure out, no joke, is it the D.C. police that goes and gets them? We don’t know. Where do we hold them?”…
Tlaib said her colleagues are “trying to tread carefully” in this “uncharted territory.”
“I will tell them they can hold all those people right here in Detroit,” she joked. “We’ll take care of them and make sure they show up to the committee hearings
https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2019/10/tlaib-democrats-looking-arrest-trump-officials/
Blind fools, utterly blind fools.
I wish Donald were correct about dialogue being an effective means of persuading the liberal left. But sadly it no longer is. Two examples:
(1) Blowup on FB because I posted a prayer for President Trump. The objector cited Trump’s past macho braggadocio against women. I responded with Clinton’s adulteries and rapes. The objector than launched into vile invective against Trump. No dialogue to be had.
(2) At work our Admin Assistant in a private moment asked me what bothered me as the most important issues in politics. I knew she was a Democrat so I asked if she really wanted to know. She said yes. So I said abortion and sodomite marriage. She said, “We won;t talk about that.” No dialogue.
These people over time by giving themselves up to sexual perversion and murder become demon possessed. You cannot dialogue with them. I wish that were not the case, and I do NOT want a civil war which as Donald rightly points out will make the first one look like firecrackers with minor cuts & bruises. But consider what these diabolical people are. Donald himself cites the example of what Tlaib wants to do to the President’s cabinet!
This has NOTHING to do with this post’s subject matter, but it’s another example. Read the whole thing. And consider the impact of godless toxic feminism (Dr. Carrie Gress’ phrase, not mine) on business, Academia, government and the military.
https://prognosticis.blogspot.com/2019/09/nuscale-et-curatura-privilegiatus.html
Imagine if a white male employee at a nuke company were to calmly and objectively oppose preferentially skewing hiring and promotion practices that unfairly favor unqualified individuals merely because of the color of their skin or the genitalia with which they were born. He would be fired! No dialogue allowed! This is godless liberalism. It does NOT allow dialogue! And it has gone too far. Yes, hire and promote minorities and women, but only those who are qualified more than their white male competitors; let the best person win without respect to skin color or sex. This is after all nuke pwr. What’s happening however has gotta be stopped and I hope peacefully. I also pray for a Trump victory in 2020. Barring that, I pray for the Second Coming – Μαρανα θα, veni celeriter, Domine Iesu!
We have a real problem talking to people not of our tribe. We don’t like the other guys accent, the funny way they say shibboleth (or is it shibboleth?)
She won’t talk about it because she doesn’t think you have anything worth saying, because to her mind everything you believe is irrational fear and hate, etc. Never mind the fact that she ‘s only thinking in cant slogans (her body/her choice, love has no labels, diversity! it’s what we have in common, etc).
Honestly, I don’t know how we go about talking to each other. It sure seems like we’re living out the Tower of Babel in the sense that’ve we’ve built this global infrastructure that was supposed to bring everybody together (in common purpose?) and instead we’re sorting ourselves into groups that can’t understand one another.
Maybe if you had said something about how the biggest political issue facing us is the breakdown of the family, and how we can’t agree on what’s causing it, or even if it’s a real problem, there might have been an opening.
But the thing is, do we really want to dialog?
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sSibboleth!
“But the thing is, do we really want to dialog?”
I think that most people do. Mass communication, especially social media, gives a stronger voice to the most intransigent fanatics than their numbers would warrant.
Sometimes you want to talk, sometimes you want to preach (scold), and sometimes you just want to shoot an antifa goon right in the face.
Fortunately for all concerned, it’s hard to find antifa goons in places that respect the Peoples’ right to bear arms.
“But the thing is, do we really want to dialog?”
I think so yes. But I also believe many of us on both sides feel as if we have no idea of where to start, a common point in which to launch a conversation. We simply have so many things separating our ways of thinking that we, us and them, see it as insurmountable.
On my part, I cannot see myself accepting abortion, homosexual practices,contraception, euthanasia, assisted suicides as areas of agreements for dialog. How could I? What if my belief in God was considered the impediment to dialog by the the other side? Do I just jettison it? Just so we can dialog?
The world and all its followers have moved on and developed into a pseudo self reliant entity that has no need of God. The rest of us who at this point have to live in the world have held on, no matter how tenuous that hold may be, to God and His Truth as revealed. We are the ones truly left behind. We hold to Tradition and His Word.
As in the past it has come down to God. Those who believe and those that don’t. In ancient times in certain civilizations public forums were accessible for debating ideas back and forth as St Paul did in Corinth. Today with free speech we can debate and dialog at anytime yet it is those of the world who refuse to even discuss differences for they seem (to me anyway) as not to even want to acknowledge that people do have different opinions or belief systems than they do. Even hearing something different than what they accept as right triggers them. Dialog is becoming increasingly difficult the more our voice is being crushed under a secular boot that refuses to accept differences in ideas and beliefs unless they agree with theirs. Sounds like a one sided dialog.
Ordinary Catholic is right: “Dialog is becoming increasingly difficult the more our voice is being crushed under a secular boot that refuses to accept differences in ideas and beliefs unless they agree with theirs. Sounds like a one sided dialog.”
A person isn’t allowed to explain why abortion is wrong, why climate change is nonsense, why preferential treatment of minorities is unethical, etc. My company openly supports the last two, and silently provides medical insurance for the first. And on social media anyone who disagrees is labelled a misogynist, a science denier or a racist. I have been and am none of those things. Yet it’s to the point where companies will monitor your social media presence and give you “feedback” when you deviate from the company line that supports a liberal agenda. Eventually you’ll have to take training and pass exams whose questions & answers are skewed only one way for passing. Failure to pass will result in termination of employment. That will happen. There is nothing anyone can do.
We have three Millennials. The older two are woke, leftist, self-hating white college educated pro-choicers. The younger one is the only sibling open to dialogue (moderate but left-leaning). Our two eldest swing from arguing (with profanity and ad hominem attacks) to boycotting us completely.
The worst was my son repeatedly yelling the word P**** at me because he was mad (still, years later)that Trump said that. I told him it was as offensive to me, his mother, as a racial slur would be to a black person. Moreover, Trump probably never used the word in front of his mother.
The other bad scene was at a outdoor restaurant where many of the other patrons were Hispanic and my daughter YELLED that for a pro-life person, I was sure okay with Mexican babies being killed in concentration camps at the border! I think she would have been happy if my husband and I were beaten up.
Currently my daughter is giving me her third months-long silent treatment since Trump’s election. I have gone through so much stress and depression over this, right now I am trying to let go and trust in Jesus and the Blessed Mother.
This all comes down to abortion. And identity politics….my oldest claims there are no black Trump supporters in all of Chicago. I offered to introduce him to some of the black Trump 2020 people in my pro-life groups. But they’re not authentically black, you see.
I am heartbroken and frustrated that we are at this juncture. My WWII veteran dad and his friends would have heated political discussions and all end up drinking beer and laughing together at the end of the night.
I always thought of myself as close to my kids. They can be very compassionate (but not to me so much) and they hold responsible jobs. Now I am just praying that something challenges their brittle and angry worldview so that they can act humanely again.
The older two are woke, leftist, self-hating white college educated pro-choicers.
Out on a limb here, but I doubt it’s themselves they hate. I’ve known a few people who actually did hate themselves. It sits rather ill with verbal aggression.
My dear Icefalcon…I completely empathize with you. I was close to all my kids until they hit the adult world. I have my two oldest that don’t give a darn about politics. Number three is just like your kids you described, number four is a conservative through and through and my last, my baby girl is so off the left side my wife doesn’t recognize her as her daughter. I hurt, big time but I finally let go and gave it to God. This is bigger than us. What we are going through is God size. I pray for my kids all the time. I treat them as I know God treats us. Good or bad. I believe who have told us that if we ask that God’s will be done then it will be done. I know God wills our children be saved. I am praying for that. Constantly. God will grant my prayer. lHang in there. I’ll pray for you and yours.
Icefalcon, the millennials you described are the majority of the youngsters in my company. They will happily vote for an anti-nuke kook like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren than to ever give any respect to Donald Trump (under whose leadership the US DOE has been very, very generous with your tax dollars to the company). Zero gratitude.
I think that most people do.
I’m afraid the people in the gatekeeper positions do not. The cleanest solution to our dilemma is a generational shift among that class of people, though it’s very difficult to see that on the horizon. What’s curious is that my own contemporaries are those in charge of institutions today; as youths, those cohorts were among the most oriented toward the right of any born in the last century. Somehow the subset of our cohort who landed in boardrooms and executive suites were drawn from those who were atypical in their views 35 years ago. I’m not understanding it.
This is something Robert Bork was discussing 30 years ago and Angelo Codevilla 10 years ago. ‘Speech and debate’ won’t help because among this set ‘speech and debate’ is for peers, and that’s not us. If the places I’ve worked are any guide, there is no ‘debate’, just a mix of gamesmanship and ‘because reasons’.
The other problem we have is the gleichschaltung, the escalating insistence of these types in allowing extraneous consideration to invade institutional and social life in spite of their irrelevancy. They’ve now politicized knitting.
Keep in mind, there is no functional distinction anymore between the most obnoxious sectaries and ordinary adherents to the other side, because (1) the ordinary adherents are often, well, obnoxious sectaries and (2), the intrusive and aggressive things done (like, say, inviting a creature like Dan Savage to address a gathering of yearbook staff, and provide an opportunity for him to savage evangelicals) are things they simply will not object to in any vociferous or effective way.
So, whatever ‘had better be true’, isn’t.
Not sure where this is going.
“Currently my daughter is giving me her third months-long silent treatment since Trump’s election.”
From what she said in the restaurant I think that would be a blessing. Parents have to love their kids but they do not have to put up with crap from them, and lack of respect is among the worst type of crap. Curious as to whether your kids were Leftist before they went off to college or if this came from another source. Do not answer unless you wish to. It is your personal business and I do not wish to pry.
“Now I am just praying that something”
Something probably will:
Experience keeps a dear school, but Fools will learn in no other. Ben Franklin 1743
I’m afraid the people in the gatekeeper positions do not.
2016 demonstrated that the people who fancy themselves gatekeepers have little to zero influence over half of the population.
Not sure where this is going.
I am, if speech and debate are ruled out. However, I do not hold to the contention that these are now useless.
LCQ-
are you familiar with 1984?
(don’t have to have read it, just familiar)
Remember the part about how getting people to repeat a lie, a big lie, especially if they know it is not true– how that breaks them?
That’s what the Left has done. I don’t know what it started with– I suspect either something sex related, or abortion.
But what happened is you can’t speak the truth. You can’t point to an unborn human and say “this is a human.” You’ll be cast out of your social circle. Dear Lord, who wants to be the person who tells a woman in pain that yes, she did in fact kill her child, for someone who viewed her as nothing more than a very mobile and cheap blow-up doll?
So you lie.
And it keeps going– and the further in you go, the more you feel limited to those who did the same.
And the more you would be shunned if you don’t agree. Or if you’re too slow to agree. Or if you don’t come up with something bigger.
shudder
This is largely formed from being at the leading edge of Millennial; I’m a geek, so social pressure didn’t work so well on me, although DANG was I miserable in school.
(Honestly, I had no idea how miserable I was because I had nothing to compare it to. Then I got into the Navy and discovered that conversations with my “peers” didn’t actually have to involve my accepting insult after insult with a smile, having my property stolen, and never allowing anybody to know what I valued because it would be attacked and physically destroyed if possible.
I thought that was only possible as a child speaking to adults.)
So… it is entirely possible that not everyone more than a year or two under 40 around whom you work is a lefty. We just have been taught that we will be destroyed if the took a stand, so we’re only going to do it when we have to.
Well, other than idiots like me, who can only figure it out about ten minutes after we’ve exposed ourselves.
My advice to icefalcon would be to spend the inheritance.
I’m so sorry for your troubles.
Remember the part about how getting people to repeat a lie, a big lie, especially if they know it is not true– how that breaks them?
That’s what the Left has done. I don’t know what it started with– I suspect either something sex related, or abortion.
Let’s see, safe sex, everybody does it (and everybody lies about doing it), and safe, legal and rare, with every child a wanted child as its corollary all come to mind.
To icefalcon.
May today’s message be helpful for you;
GOD’S LOST AND FOUND
“For the sins of my children I am left desolate, because they turned from the law of God.” —Baruch 4:12
Is there any greater anguish than that of a godly parent who must watch their child choose to forsake God? (Bar 4:8) “With joy” these parents “fostered” the faith in their children (Bar 4:11). Then, after their child has rejected God, they must “let [the child] go” with “mourning and lament” (Bar 4:11).
If you have experienced this, imagine the experience of God the Father. Could anyone foster children (see Hos 11:4) better than the Father raises every human being? If children rebel against the incomparable parental love of God the Father, then don’t feel like a total failure if your guidance is rejected.
Though your children reject your instruction and no longer listen to your appeals, take courage. “Bear patiently” this situation (Bar 4:25). Know that God is even more of a Parent to your child than you are. He will search diligently through “the wasteland” of your child’s life until He has rescued him or her (Lk 15:4).
So “turn now ten times the more to seek” God (Bar 4:28). Jesus is your only Hope, and “those who hope in” Him “shall never be disappointed” (Is 49:23). “Fear is useless. What is needed is trust” (Mk 5:36). Therefore, “trust in Him at all times” (Ps 62:9). “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, and all your household” (Acts 16:31).
Prayer: Father, may I have an eternal family reunion with You in heaven — with no family members missing.
Promise: “He Who has brought disaster upon you will, in saving you, bring you back enduring joy.” —Bar 4:29
Praise: Bl. Francis Xavier Seelos was a humble Redemptorist priest in New Orleans in the mid 1800s. Numerous miracles of healing are attributed to his intercession, including healing of paralysis and leukemia.
(This teaching was submitted by a member of our editorial team.)
To Foxfier.
You are a very intelligent and extremely talented individual. I’ve learned much from your posts. You are you in part from your beginnings and your childhood sufferings have given you a merciful spirit, imho.
Yes..I don’t claim to know you deeply, but from the past few years that I’ve frequented TAC I make my opinions about you.
Peace geek!
🙂
Presentation Ministries is to be credited for the above teaching.
Icefalcon,
Painful experience has taught me that we must have healthy boundaries with everyone–especially those in our families. It is difficult to draw those boundaries at times–but we must have them to survive. Otherwise, people, even those close to us, will destroy us & keep us from any form of peace in our lives–keeping us in constant confusion. As the Bible says–God is not the author of confusion.
Thank you to everyone who offered words of encouragement and support. This has really helped me.
To answer Daniel McClarey’s question, we brought the kids up in a traditionally and unapologetically Catholic home. Is their hard Left turn a result of college culture? I trace it back to grammar school. They attended a Chicago public school that preached diversity, diversity, diversity. Everything was Afrocentric. I had to do damage control when they would bring home worksheets about African-AMERICANS inventing the alphabet, saddle, mathematics….this was relentless. Then there was the assembly when my daughter’s 5th grade class was supposed to sing, “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet!” Thankfully she told me about that ahead of time. I had to really fight the school, and some of the other parents who were Catholic, on that one. They only changed their selection when a Sun-Times reporter contacted them with questions (thanks to Daniel Pipes for help with that). (The CPS legal team, however, had no problem with the shahada.)
I sincerely wish I had homeschooled them; hindsight is 20/20.
We sent them to Catholic high schools, which promoted a much more liberal brand of Catholicism than we practiced. My daughter attended a Sisters of Mercy school and the boys went to an Augustinian school. One of my daughter’s teachers was a former Sister of Mercy who left the order and now has a “wife” and a son–very openly, still employed and often honored at the school. Lots of social-justice BUT they would also surprise me by reciting solid catechism. These schools were not the most traditional Catholic schools, but they were far from the most liberal. At least there was a pro-life presence but no Gay Straight Alliance club at either school.
This is a long answer, Daniel, but I think the grooming started when they were in kindergarten. We tried to advocate for our values with them, and we would find ourselves involved with issues at the school(s), even though we had to pick our battles.
Full disclosure: I was a left-leaning Catholic during my college years and into my 20’s, before I finally “took the Red pill.” I cringe when I think about some of the causes I embraced. I am a Marquette U. grad and some of our Jesuit profs had worked for land reform in Chile…all code words I didn’t understand at the time. I even had a class in Liberation Theology. I naively thought that my experience-and recovery–would arm me in raising my kids. My husband is a product of Catholic education from kdg through college (Loyola–Jesuit!) but he is largely apolitical, though his values are very conservative and he is a traditionalist regarding the Church.
Full disclosure: I was a left-leaning Catholic during my college years and into my 20’s, before I finally “took the Red pill.” I cringe when I think about some of the causes I embraced.
May the same happen to your kids Icefalcon, and do not be too sure it will not. My prayers for you and your family.
Thank you, Donald and all others keeping us in your prayers. By the way, my older son’s name is Augustine. No kidding.
For what it is worth– homeschooling is much, much easier now.
“By the way, my older son’s name is Augustine. No kidding.”
Truly a sign! Monica’s tears and prayers were not in vain and I suspect neither will yours be.
One might as well homeschool these days because the only alternative for the responsible parent is to show up every day at the school one gives up ones child to and monitor what’s going on from the back of the room.
The Lord did say, “Take up your cross and follow Me.” Instructing the ignorant is one of the spiritual works of mercy. Some females require extra helpings of tough love; we musn’t withhold the truth from them just because the truth gives them fee-yul-bads.
This misandrist business of finding a man to blame for a female’s deadly decision must stop.
In real life, over nine times out of ten she plotted to throw her body in front of him and turned herself into a “cheap blow-up doll” in order to carry out her premeditated plan. Don’t you know, Foxfier, that the purpose of lipstick, blush, and mascara is to permit the female who wears them to put on a mask of being constantly sexually ‘ready’?
One might as well homeschool these days because the only alternative for the responsible parent is to show up every day at the school one gives up ones child to and monitor what’s going on from the back of the room.
I sometimes wonder what things would be like if, instead of opting out, homeschoolers had put all that energy into taking over the schools via school board elections.
I suspect things would still be bad, but nowhere near as bad.
This misandrist business of finding a man to blame for a female’s deadly decision must stop.
I dunno. It’s not like this hypothetical woman got herself into this imagined scenario requiring a life or death decision all on her own, you know. If this woman we’re inventing decided to keep her baby, would we be imagining that she trapped the man (whom we’re pretending has been a passive bystander all along in our drama), for cash and prizes? Would that be misogynist of us? Or is the baby-daddy trap another example of how this post sexual revolution, pro-feminist culture of ours works to keep men down?
If this little play has a moral to it, I guess it would be this: If you don’t want to be a casualty of the sexual revolution, don’t become a participant in it.