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This is why popes should not retire:

 

Former pope Benedict XVI has publicly urged his successor Pope Francis not to open the Catholic priesthood up to married men, in a plea that Sunday stunned Vatican experts.

The ex-pontiff, who retired in 2013, issued the defence of clerical celibacy in a book written with arch-conservative Cardinal Robert Sarah, extracts of which were published in exclusive by France’s Le Figaro.

“I cannot keep silent!” Benedict wrote in the book, which follows an extraordinary meeting of bishops from the Amazonian at the Vatican last year that recommended the ordination of married men in certain circumstances.

The pope emeritus, 92, and Sarah from Guinea weighed in on the controversial question of whether or not to allow “viri probati” — married “men of proven virtue” — to join the priesthood.

Francis is currently considering allowing it in remote locations, such as the Amazon, where communities seldom have Mass due to a lack of priests, and is expected to publish his decision in the coming weeks.

The pair asked the whole Church not to be “swayed” by “bad pleas, theatrics, diabolical lies, fashionable errors that want to devalue priestly celibacy.

Go here to read the rest.  Pope Benedict is to blame for resigning, the Conclave of 2013 is to blame for choosing Pope Francis and Pope Francis is to blame for being one of the worst popes in the history of the Church.  What an unholy mess.  The Francis sycophants are reacting just the  way one would expect.

 

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16 Comments

  1. “The pair asked the whole Church not to be “swayed” by “bad pleas, theatrics, diabolical lies, fashionable errors that want to devalue priestly celibacy.”

    Pachamama to ya’ baby.

    Retirement would be a Very Great thing for Francis to consider.

  2. Latin rite clergy should maintain the discipline of celibacy. There is Biblical precedence for this:

    1st Corinthians 7:8, 32-35

    8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do…….32 I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; 33 but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, 34 and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband. 35 I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord.

    Nevertheless, we know from Sacred Scripture that even St. Peter was married. Furthermore, St. Paul gives instructions that clergy should be the husbands of one wife.

    1st Timothy 3:2-3

    2 Now a bishop must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, dignified, hospitable, an apt teacher, 3 no drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and no lover of money.

    We also know that married Anglican priests have been accepted into the Latin rite (Father Dwight Longenecker comes to mind), and that Eastern rite Catholic priests may be married prior to ordination (but bishops must be unmarried).

    I am NOT discounting the arguments laid out by two august Churchmen far more knowledgeable in theology than I shall ever be: Cardinal Sarah and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. Nor do I think the heretic on the Throne of St. Peter has any good intention by authorizing marriage of Latin rite priests in the Amazon or anywhere else for that matter. Indeed, as I recall (please correct me if I err), it was around the turn of the first millennium that celibacy became mandated in the Latin rite due to corruption.

    Again, I am NOT saying celibacy in the Latin rite should be abandoned. But I am saying that (1) it wasn’t always that way in both Scripture and history, and (2) our Eastern rite brethren and Anglican converts don’t have this as a discipline.

  3. I’m less concerned about married priests of a incomplete ordination to the priesthood* than I am about “deaconettes.”

  4. *my possibly faulty understanding is that viri probati will only be permitted to celebrate the sacrifice of the mass. As they will not be hearing confessions and granting absolution, and as one is not supposed to receive the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin, this seems to me to defeat the declared intention of ordaining married men of proven character in the first place.

    (N.b. I don’t belong to the school of thought that says it’s next to impossible to commit a mortal sin unless you really really go out of your way to do so.)

  5. Why was the co-authored book promoting priestly celibacy released after the Amazonian Synod? Why not before, when it would have had more influence? Monday morning quarterbacks.

    Poor as a church mouse…..On a practical note how can the dioceses worldwide afford married priests? In my neck of the woods reading the published history of Cople Parish post Revolution, the parish had a hard time recruiting a married Episcopal priest because they couldn’t afford his salary. This even with a glebe manse or other habitation provided.

  6. Cam, I believe this thrust for married clergy is one more attempt at destroying the Church. First, you are correct, we can’t afford the additional costs related to a married clergy. Second, the clergy will then seek outside employment which will lead to a decrease in the sacramental life of the Church.

  7. Popes cannot “retire”. It is not possible. Christ did not leave room for that option. There is not, nor ever has been an “Emeritus”. Those who say it is so, must prove it from Scripture and Tradition. I see no evidence of it.

    There is one Pope. There is no “Pope-Emeritus”; a meaningless word.

    The Pope has spoken and he is an alignment with all other Popes, as any Catholic should expect.

  8. There is not such a thing as two Popes in the Holy Mother Church
    There is not such a thing a Pope Emeritus in the Holy Mother Church
    There is only one Pope and is Benedict XVI.
    Bergoglio is no Pope, Bergoglio is the Antipope.

  9. “As they will not be hearing confessions and granting absolution.”

    A priest is a priest. HE either has been ordained with Holy Orders or has not. If he has than he has ALL of the graces of his office and the sacrament.

  10. Cardinal Sarah states on Twitter:

    Cette analyse est fausse. Le livre Des profondeurs de nos cœurs ne s’oppose rigoureusement pas au Pape. Le texte publié ce matin par
    @Tornielli est juste. Nous avons réellement travaillé dans un esprit filial. Il est malsain de vouloir sans cesse opposer les hommes d’Église. +RS

    This analysis is wrong. The book From the depths of our hearts is not strictly opposed to the Pope. The text published this morning by @Tornielli is just. We really worked in a filial spirit. It is unhealthy to constantly want to oppose the men of the Church. RS +

    Go here for proof that he said that:

    https://twitter.com/Card_R_Sarah/status/1216783298275553285

    No cleric wants to publicly denounce this Marxist Peronist Caudillo for the heretic that he is. Vatican Council II beat the testicular fortitude out of our shepherds. Ezekiel 3:1-10 comes to mind.

    May Bergoglio be deposed and anathematized. But I won’t place my hopes on this post-Conciliar clerics to do that.

  11. A deacon is not ordained a priest either, despite receiving Holy Orders. So these viri probati are either superior deacons or inferior priests.

    This isn’t where I first read about this, but it gets to the gist:

    The text [i.e. the final document from the Synod on the Amazon] goes on to say that these men will “receive and [sic] adequate formation for the priesthood.” What is meant by “adequate formation”? In the past, everyone took as a given that these men would not be receiving a theological education qualifying them to be more than “Mass priests,” and thus unable to hear confessions or preach.[emph. add.]

  12. If they don’t want to denounce him as a heretic, maybe it’s because, however mistaken, misguided, etc. he may be, he isn’t one; at least not formally.

  13. If a deacon, then he isn’t a priest and can’t offer the sacrifice of the Mass. If a Priest, he has all of the abilities of the bishop, but acts in union with and with the authority of the bishop. See the CCC below.
    “1564 “Whilst not having the supreme degree of the pontifical office, and notwithstanding the fact that they depend on the bishops in the exercise of their own proper power, the priests are for all that associated with them by reason of their sacerdotal dignity; and in virtue of the sacrament of Holy Orders, after the image of Christ, the supreme and eternal priest, they are consecrated in order to preach the Gospel and shepherd the faithful as well as to celebrate divine worship as true priests of the New Testament.”46

    1565 Through the sacrament of Holy Orders priests share in the universal dimensions of the mission that Christ entrusted to the apostles. The spiritual gift they have received in ordination prepares them, not for a limited and restricted mission, “but for the fullest, in fact the universal mission of salvation ‘to the end of the earth,”’47 “prepared in spirit to preach the Gospel everywhere.”48”

    Perhaps I’m wrong but a superior deacon or an inferior priest aren’t Catholic theological things.

  14. Perhaps I’m wrong but a superior deacon or an inferior priest aren’t Catholic theological things.

    Not since before the Council of Trent, at any rate.

    You’re right of course be uneasy about the neither fish nor fowl thing that’s going on here.

  15. Jesus forgave sins before Jesus said the First Mass at the Last Supper. If the viri probati cannot forgive sins , they have no calling (vocation) to say Mass.
    Yes, one must be called to the altar by God. A vocation is necessary. A vocation is not an appointment by any human authority but only by God for the individual to attain his destiny in eternity.
    A real vocation is a call to the priesthood and to celibacy.

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