Thursday, March 28, AD 2024 7:53am

Covid-19 was here last year?

An intriguing proposition, that covid-19 has been among us since last year, has been set forth by Anthony Ciani in the American Thinker: “Did I Already Have COVID-19?”

I’ll quote from the article:

“It is an increasingly common statement, in comments sections, in social media posts and from callers on talk radio programs, “I think I had COVID-19 back in [name your month].” This is an important phenomenon for public policy. If they believed the experts, if they trusted what their governments had told them, then would people make that statement? Governments around the world saw COVID-19 start in early March and shuttered their economies, claiming it necessary to stop its spread. To ponder if one had COVID-19 before March is to doubt that narrative, and that pondering is amplified by those who tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies.

Is it a good idea to proclaim indefinite tyranny, such as Illinois’s Governor Pritzker has, when the narrative upon which that tyranny is based is taking on water? Consider that some of those forums normally talk about hot loads, suppressors and double taps. To those pondering, before cooking a goose, let’s make sure you’re not chasing a wild one.”

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Ciani’s arguments are plausible, although I haven’t followed up all the links to supporting sources.   Certainly his remarks about a natural immunity to animal infected SARS seems reasonable. As my good lady put it, “this isn’t exactly tinfoil helmet stuff.”  If it is so, there have been horrible mistakes made by the epidemiological community.

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Frank
Frank
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 10:28am

I have seen several instances of this in blog comments and in social media. Anecdotal evidence is of course not very probative of general propositions, but it should not be ignored. I wonder how CA Gov Newsom’s ordering of autopsies of persons who died in November and December of last year has come out?
I personally believe I may have had this virus in February, and have considered trying to obtain an antibody test. I had a flu-like or cold-like illness that never passed the annoying stage, but included headache, sinus congestion, some sniffles and sneezing (but not anywhere near what I usually get with a cold or flu), and a dry, wheezy cough that hung on for two weeks. It is very rare for me to stay sick for more than two or three days; in fact, the last time I recall that happening was my bout with the Hong Kong flu back in 1968, when i was a freshman in high school and missed almost two weeks of classes and sports practices. With all this, however, i had no fever; I checked my temperature twice daily, because by then the news accounts of the WuFlu had already become somewhat concerning, Trump had already halted flights from China, and one of my regular golf buddies had been in China with his wife for two weeks in December. (Neither one of them has been sick, by the way.) Very strange; perhaps all I had was a mild version of “regular flu” made less severe by my having had a “flu shot” in September, or perhaps not.

ken
ken
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 10:59am

I have felt completely healthy for the past six months so I’m choosing to identify with the 99.8% of white males between the ages of 40-49 who were infected and fully recovered or never even knew they had the virus. Screw science, I’ll take statistics.

Pinky
Pinky
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 11:08am

This sounds like classic hypochondria. I say that because I’ve done it. I had a mild flu that went through my office in September, and I’ve told myself that must have been the coronavirus. (I’ve also “had” coronavirus all through spring allergy season.) It’d be nice if it were true. It’d make me feel important. It would also be a relief, because now I’d know I wouldn’t get it again. But I’m not going to think that way because, first of all, it’s almost certainly not true, and secondly, it’s still my duty to reaonably try to protect myself and others.

Jay Anderson
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 11:21am

As I mentioned a few weeks back, I feel somewhat sure that the virus ran its course through our family beginning the week between Christmas and New Year’s. Lasted at least a couple of weeks.

Something hit our town around that time, leading to several people being sick for weeks, leading to some cases of pneumonia. At least one otherwise fairly inexplicable pneumonia death that I know of.

Jay Anderson
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 11:34am

And the reason I think it was COVID is (1) the symptoms of what I had match what are being described as symptoms of COVID, and (2) I’ve never been sick in that way in my entire life (I’ve been sicker from a particularly virulent strain of the flu, but never with these symptoms). Started out with a fever and body aches, which made me initially think it was the flu, but soon developed into a terrible dry cough, heavy lungs, and difficulty breathing. The dry cough was so bad and lasted for so long that my back, stomach, and rib cage muscles ached like they’d never ached before. After a while, I began to think I had a case of “walking pneumonia”.

Maybe it’s just a coincidence that I had some weird mystery illness that I have never experienced before and the symptoms of which seem to be somewhat indicative of COVID just a couple of months before the acknowledged COVID outbreak. And maybe it’s a coincidence that many, many others are saying they experienced something similar.

If so, it’s QUITE the “coincidence”, and I’m more inclined to think such a “coincidence” highly unlikely.

Donald R. McClarey
Reply to  Jay Anderson
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 11:52am

All winter Jay I heard that a nasty bug was running through Central Illinois. I suspect it was Covid-19 also.

Frank
Frank
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 9:05pm

@Pinky:
Please bear with me, I am not simply trying to be snarky, but I made my living for 35 years with language, and so I try to use technical terminology correctly (often unsuccessfully, but I try), and I hector others to do so, as well.

Those of us who think we might have “had the virus” may well be wrong in our speculation as to what made us sick over the past few months, but it’s not hypochondria. According to Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary:
“Definition of hypochondria
extreme depression of mind or spirits often centered on imaginary physical ailments
specifically : HYPOCHONDRIASIS”
“Definition of hypochondriasis

morbid concern about one’s health especially when accompanied by delusions of physical disease : hypochondria of pathological proportions.”
I don’t believe any of the points of these definitions are applicable here. I also hasten to add that I did not say or imply that I have no duty to protect myself or others, and offer more on that point below. I also note that I gain no sense of self-importance from suspecting that I had a Covid-19 illness two months ago. It’s just a hypothesis based on what I know about how I felt and what I have read and seen about the known symptoms of that illness. If I did have it and that gives me immunity, wonderful! I’ll take that benefit any time, however it comes, but it would be presumptuous of me to claim it absent the proper test.

Certainly we have the duty to obey the second of the two “greatest commandments” given by our Creator, to love our neighbor as we love ourselves, and as Catholics we know the definition of love is to will the good of the other “as other”, as we will the good for ourselves. This naturally includes both worldly good and the ultimate good of salvation. We can, however, reasonably disagree in many circumstances about the best ways to go about fulfilling that Divine expectation.

I readily admit to hoping we will learn, as studies proceed, and millions of antibody tests occur, that the WuFlu virus has in fact been rampant in the U.S. since weeks or months before official case and fatality counts began, and that many times more people “have the virus” than presently believed, especially by the un-elected and heretofore unaccountable “experts” who hold our nation’s economic survival hostage to their decisions and recommendations. I maintain this hope because such a conclusion will dramatically enlarge the denominator in every calculation of the rate of serious illness and death resulting from this virus, thus drastically reducing those rates. (I have thereby all but exhausted my expertise in mathematics.) Continuing my hopeful line of reasoning, should that reduction in official sickness and death rates occur, we may perhaps also hope that less Draconian measures will be deemed necessary to protect those most at risk. It might even happen soon enough to prevent many, many other deaths from occurring due to economic collapse, which is already leading to sudden poverty, depression, alcohol and drug abuse, suicide, failure to treat serious illnesses not resembling “Covid 19”, supply chain disruptions threatening our very food supply, and the like, all of which will almost certainly grow more widespread as the government-imposed lockdowns go on. Think those toilet tissue and hand sanitizer shortages were rough? Wait until the food starts disappearing because farmers can’t get their crops, dairy products and livestock to market, which, again, is already happening. I believe God expects us to worry about helping to prevent those deaths, too, even though their numbers are not likely to be plastered across our TV and video screens and the front pages of newspapers every hour of every day until this all, and please God make it soon, at last comes more or less to an end.
God bless all here.

Ernst Schreiber
Ernst Schreiber
Thursday, April 30, AD 2020 10:09pm

The bigger mistake was the captain of the ship of state turning over the helm to the pharmacists’ mate because the captain was a reserve officer in the merchant marine, and the pharmacists’ mate went to Yale.
(Labored analogy, I know.)

Frank
Frank
Friday, May 1, AD 2020 7:03am

Ernst-not bad at all, IMO. ????

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