Dave Griffey at Daffey Thoughts gives us the latest on the Vichy Catholic front:
When you align with dark powers
Apparently that was on Mark Shea’s twitter feed. But the individual is someone I don’t know. Note, though, the preemptive judgmentalism, the assumption that if people defending the statue of St. Louis heard this statue was under attack, they wouldn’t care.
How does he know? If they knew it was supposed to be Jesus, they just might. Heck, if they didn’t and heard there was a mob of rioters and iconoclasts and zealots bent on destroying it, they might rise to the occasion and protect it on general principle. I could see them doing so.
Just why the fellow seems he has to point out St. Louis was on a horse, I don’t know. That would be … I have no clue. He seems to feel it’s important.
But point is, notice the assumption, the preemptive judgement, the accusation over some hypothetical that isn’t happening and likely won’t happen. Personally I had no idea that was supposed to be Jesus. But even if it wasn’t, I wouldn’t support it being destroyed. That’s me. That’s most I know who are opposing this violence, destruction, threats, vandalism and killing in the name of the Marxist revolt.
I’ll assume – since assumptions are all the rage – none of those are as important to this individual, or Mark Shea, as scoring points against anyone trying to defend the heritage of the Christian West and avoid the modern assumption that we define humans of the past by their sins, their skin color, or their national origins. That does seem patently clear.
BTW, I wonder if Mr. Ahern and Mark have commented on this:
Since they clearly don’t care about the statue of St. Louis coming down, even if he is on a horse.
Again, this is now clearly a revolt of violence, hatred, bigotry, destruction and death. Marxist inspired, totalitarianism, bigotry and oppression as the goals. Those who for whatever reason defend and deflect and join the elitist classes who are clearly happy with our country going in this direction, are now the enemies of all that is good, virtuous, holy and right. Mark them for what they are. And remember.
Shea is example of exactly why they do it. Keep history vague, have people believe what ‘feels right’ and you can manipulate them into believing anything. (Like the infamous “great magic party switch” of the civil rights era.) I still remember the school that claimed Lincoln was a democrat.
Their aim is to declare any target a sinner or a saint, whichever is most useful to the ones in power at the time.
Emotions Over Truth
The recipe for damnation.
July 1, 2020 Michael Voris
https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-emotions-over-truth?mc_cid=0b12169720&mc_eid=c185380be9
Whataboutism is the response of those who don’t want to reveal their sentiments about the issue at hand. But it’s pretty easy to guess.
The sad reality is, Mark doesn’t care much for Catholics on the other side of the political divide, let alone their symbols.
He joined the wilding against the Covington students, he shrugged off the Democrats’ argument that membership in the KofC was proof of extremism disqualifying the member from public service and he routinely uses rhetoric against Trump supporters that would not be out of place at a Marxist struggle session.
I will add gently that the rhetoric winging toward the left is often indiscriminate double-canister, too. To be clear: none of which excuses the Year Zero behavior we are seeing. But the thermometer on the grill is definitely nearing “June 1860.”
Rhetoric has been pretty bad for quite a long time Dale, and I grant you it is not all on one side. The frightening thing is that with the Iconoclast Riots of 2020 we see action to match the rhetoric and a great reluctance in blue cities and states to punish their political allies engaged in law breaking. In addition to 1860 another year comes to my mind: 1936 Spain. At the rate this all is building, I am afraid that the November elections may be the opening curtain in a very tragic episode in American history.
Whataboutism is the response of those who don’t want to reveal their sentiments about the issue at hand. But it’s pretty easy to guess.
FWIW, this isn’t “whataboutism”– it’s a combination of red herring and assuming the conclusion.
About the only thing notable is the choice of statues, since the trite “what if Jesus came back like that” shtick always involves assuming the situation the have Jesus mimicking is as innocent as Jesus was in the face of the charges leveled against him.
“Whataboutism” is not generally defined; I’ve seen it applied to both red-herrings and pointing out double standards.
Don:
Yes, the Spanish Civil War is the closer analogy in my mind, too.
That’s not a statue of Jesus. That’s a trompe l’oeil done in imitation of the work of the Seward Johnson studio. I rather like those, though I’ve only seen pictures of them. Robert Hughes loathed the Johnson studio’s work, so you know it’s something you’d like to see.
FWIW, this isn’t “whataboutism”– it’s a combination of red herring and assuming the conclusion.
Courtesy a faculty member from Manhattan College. Among the bourgeois population, academics are just about the worst people in America.
I think the point of Mark (don’t know the other fellow) is that with all the talk of ‘this could be it, the war we’ve waited for’, it’s worth noting that many with Bibles, Rosaries and American flags will be supporting the forces against those very things.
When a loud group issues daily demands and threats that the bus stop Jesus be removed as an outdated offense to modern sensibilities or they will pull it down themselves, Mark and Kevin will have a point.
Otherwise, it’s just another example of them distinguishing themselves from their retrograde, unwashed brethren.
Apparently one of the original uses for whataboutism (there’s like four different attributions when I was trying to find out what faculty of Manhattan college didn’t know about existing fallacies) was that it’s a form of tu quoque.
Problem being that the accusation ignores that it is generally pointing out special pleading/ double standards….
It’s also the old Marxist trick of claiming mind reading. You can’t be against pulling down statues in general, you must be against only THESE statues in particular because they are yours. And these statues are ours. Mark loves to talk about what everybody REALLY means. (Never mind that in tests, it’s been shown that conservatives can think like liberals far more than the reverse.)
When a loud group issues daily demands and threats that the bus stop Jesus be removed it will come from Shea’s side, and he will find a way to give them cover.
He’s already done that with Columbus. Previously he talked about how Columbus was honored as a way to resist anti-Italian and anti-Catholic groups in the US. But now they are evil racist monuments, and besides the Italians are doing well enough that they don’t deserve having statues anyway.
Rudolph, only a few years ago Mark rose to the defense of Columbus when there were calls to abolish Columbus Day. He wrote a long post defending Columbus and celebrating him. But then again, I also remember when Mark fought against abortion. When the Dems pushed for expanding late term abortion rights a year ago or so, his only response was that since people insisted, he would only say it was a subject over his head. At this point I can’t imagine anything the Left will advocate or demand that Mark won’t defend (or at best, deflect from). That’s my observation. When they finally come for the faithful, don’t be shocked that many we thought were faithful will be in the ranks that are on the attack.
BTW, here in Columbus, Ohio, without any appeal to public input, Democrat mayor Ginther has had the statue of Christopher Columbus taken down from outside City Hall as he announced he would. It was done in the early hours of this morning. It will be replaced by a work of art that celebrates ‘diversity.’
Dave, I’ve stood at the base of that statue and took a photo of my family there. It is / was a beautiful work of art. A gift from the City of Genoa. Years later, my son and the rest of my Boy Scout Troop stayed overnight on the reproduction of the Santa Maria that used to be docked nearby. As Boy Scouts and Scouters, we all earned the Diocese of Columbus’s Santa Maria Religious emblem, a local religious award. Everyone participated in a day long series of classes and activities to learn about Columbus and the bringing of the Catholic faith to the New World. Sadly they took the ship out in 2014. We were the last group to be allowed to sleep aboard her. As a fellow Ohio resident I am outraged at the ineptitude of the Governor and his silence or acquiesces of the removal of Columbus and his weak responses to the call for renaming of our Capitol.
It is obvious that an equestrian saint monument is an allusion to the struggle and triumph of the Church Militant. To a progressive Catholic of the meek and mild type, the Church should be apologizing to every race and religion for their vigorous defense of the Faith and Christendom in general. Perhaps, Shea would like to recast St. Michael the Archangel as a cute little cherub in a Giotto painting. Woke and effeminate laypeople and clergy want us to be neo-Episcopalians rather than vigorous defenders of the Faith and Western Civilization.
John, I’ve been pounding the pulpit with various GOP organizations asking where the &$#&@^* are they. Mostly they’ve been content with saying ‘oh we’re doing things. Real things. Lots of things.’ But then, look at the religious leadership. Where are they? Apart from joining some BLM protests here in the area, I’ve seen very few engage in anything other than say racism is a scourge of America. Again, the biggest shock and disappointment in all of this has been watching so many we thought would rise to the occasion balk, cower, and grovel and even turn coat against the things we believed they would help us defend.
Don’t waste your time arguing with evil people and imbeciles.
Anyone that equates Jesus with demented, alcohol/drug-crazed homeless signals he/she knows nothing about either.
I dunno, @T.Shaw. If you look around right now, I’d say we see the results of not pushing back against the evil and ignorant for several decades.
We tend to forget that children are born ignorant and must be instructed in all things. If they hear only one side speaking of the evils of america, and the other side just dismissing them without explanation, they won’t believe in the latter, but think the former is right.
America today is a result of the silent majority taking the defense of America for granted. It’s not someone else’s problem, it’s all our problem. We need to start pushing back and explain, “No, this is wrong, and here is why” with the knowledge that it isn’t the other side we are convincing, but those who listen in.
Again, the biggest shock and disappointment in all of this has been watching so many we thought would rise to the occasion balk, cower, and grovel and even turn coat against the things we believed they would help us defend.
The pseudonymous Ace of Spades offered that craven people-pleasers are now the modal type among Republican politicians.
We tend to forget that children are born ignorant and must be instructed in all things. If they hear only one side speaking of the evils of america, and the other side just dismissing them without explanation, they won’t believe in the latter, but think the former is right.
Worse, if they know the former ISN’T right, they have learned to keep their mouth shut– because they will be attacked by the folks on both sides, or worse the guys on the quieter side can’t be bothered to explain their logic, they just demand obedience. Greaaaaaat way to persuade folks who just rebelled against a more powerful ‘shut up and agree with me’ group….. eyeroll
I get so tired of being told I don’t exist, by folks who then complain and lecture me for not existing…. wry grin